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this hope radiates for the masses

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headliner between July 8 1947 the Army

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Air Forces has announced that applying

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this has been found and is now in the

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possession of the RA the game is rigged

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changed the game changer I occasionally

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think how quickly our differences

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worldwide would vanish if we were facing

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an alien threat from outside this way

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fade to black with your host Jimmy

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church on the GameChanger radio network

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you have to get to the year nineteen

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you are listening to fade to black with

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Jimmy judge on the game changing that

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good evening take the black the spoke

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Matt says

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sigh ie donuts Wednesday February 19

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see days into the new year only 316 days

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left work back we are live from a punker

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summer in the middle of beautiful

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downtown Burbank California I would like

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to welcome everybody listening all

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around the world Oh cross the United

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States hither and thither to and fro

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back and forth up and down east and west

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north and south far and near

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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game changer network that kg ra the

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Emil Jimmy Church what's cracking

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everybody how you do it

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tonight

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that's your I live from the United

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is here

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Steve mayor one of the United Kingdom's

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most respected researchers in the realms

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of apology and explained in Supernatural

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with over 1,000 hours of mainstream

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alternative TV programme interviews such

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as national Geographics pair of natural

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and wild x-files he is the head tutor

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for the U ITC investigators training

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courses in u Falah djegal studies and is

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the CEO of phenomenon magazine the

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world's largest easing of its kind it's

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distributed check this in 12 countries

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with over 1.8 million subscribers he's

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an accomplished author of several books

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including A to Z of the unknown strange

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happenings and paranormal insight and

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establishment of parapsychology

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established back in 1996 and the

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chairman of map at Manchester's aerial

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phenomena investigation team and that

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was established all the way back in 1974

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and you can go to his website the links

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are right there Jim Peters radio.com for

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Zohar management I would like to welcome

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back to fade to black the one and only

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Steve Mehra Steve good morning man how

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are you I'm good Jimmy thank you for

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little chuckle I do I appreciate

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everything that you do Steve and not

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only your contributions to the community

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and and you're just tireless efforts to

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push this massive juggernaut forward but

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also your personal friend and the

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continue to thank you for all of that

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that many people always asking and of

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don't love it well you know this is this

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that this is a global effort isn't it

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to the phenomenon right back to 700 BC

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global it is a global phenomena

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95% of the of incidents around the world

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information and thank God for the

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Internet I mean though though it does

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where things are kind of like a paradox

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even Greece right but all of these

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megalithic communities like nobody cares

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real phenomena and it's been concerning

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nitpicking through all the research

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today and we'll probably hear about them

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what what happened did you have a

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their experiences we've got to be seen

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we're believers we were actually up

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find out what the hell's going on but

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have had experiences and and it brought

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personal experiences for a good 20 25

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subjects it's not a matter belief it's a

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matter of evidence at the end of the day

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of age do you for logical type phenomena

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regular basis most of my life though

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that didn't really give me any answers

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seeing these things in the sky and

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having new strange experiences didn't

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really provide me any answers just

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opened up my door to say yes is

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certainly a lot more going on in life

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than what some people experience and

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understand the phenomena and of course I

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was lucky because I had a father was

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interested in the subjects and and

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whilst my friends at school reading kind

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of comics I was talking into his area

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von Daniken books so right and I was

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fascinated with the pictures of Nazca

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lines and things that I am and I kind of

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drew me in I wanted to know more so hold

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on t hold on I'm not gonna let you get

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away that easily you thought that you

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could just dance past the question and

282
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I'm gonna give you credit for the error

283
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for the effort okay okay okay let's back

284
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up

285
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you just said seven years old yeah now

286
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I'm trying to think what year that might

287
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have been I know Steve so around 1900 at

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7 years old

289
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you and I are the same age so 7 years

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old we're talking somewhere in the mid

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60's right what happened well I had no

292
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idea about UFOs or strange creatures or

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anything like that I mean you know I was

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pretty much

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okay grew up single single mom dad only

296
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had one chance um you know I am he's

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only myself and I never used to wake up

298
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at night I was quite a sound sleeper

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until one particular night I woke up and

300
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he was still dark

301
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the orange light from the streetlight

302
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was coming into my room as it normally

303
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did lighting up the room but it was one

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darkest part of my bedroom and I heard a

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rustling noise now I don't know why I

306
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woke up but a lot into the darkness and

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out the corner of my bedroom came a

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small figure I can only describe it as a

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small being with large dark eyes and he

310
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was about my size I say he is well I

311
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don't know sees what's really unusual I

312
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say he but I don't know if it wasn't he

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but it came out of the darkness of the

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corner of my room I don't know how and I

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was absolutely petrified and I had an

316
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experience I can only describe as this

317
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thing took control of me and wanted to

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examine my emotions and I was given

319
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certain emotions and this thing was

320
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monitoring how I would react to those

321
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emotions and it seemed to last forever

322
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but it was probably really only last a

323
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few minutes

324
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and I just could not take my stare away

325
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from his face could not do it could not

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move totally under control I found

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myself going through these different

328
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emotions woman--it happy jumping up and

329
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down the bed laughing the next minute

330
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sobbing with sadness and even pain sting

331
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grabbed my cheeks it brought his hands

332
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up four fingers not five it brought his

333
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hands up and squeezed my cheeks very

334
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very hard and caused significant pain

335
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upset and they seemed say I can only

336
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imagine now looking back is like a test

337
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of emotions after this it kind of just

338
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faded off into the corner of the

339
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darkness of the room again and

340
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disappeared and of course I kind of came

341
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around freaked out

342
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my mother and father bought I remember

343
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the stress of experiencing this I had a

344
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barrel with freely ends on and I was

345
00:16:07,749 --> 00:16:06,109
pulling away at these freely ends

346
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because out the frustration not being

347
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able to move I was under control of

348
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something and that kind of led me to

349
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believe that I wasn't I wasn't dreaming

350
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this this is a real incident and since

351
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then growing up I had multiple different

352
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sightings of things and now I actually

353
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Belle probably around about three or

354
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four months now every more now growing

355
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up what what part of Great Britain were

356
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you living in Manchester Oh haven't you

357
00:16:42,369 --> 00:16:40,279
you've been in Manchester your whole I

358
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see I didn't know the whole life my

359
00:16:50,710 --> 00:16:45,349
whole life I didn't know that so this

360
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was it now Manchester and I sort of

361
00:16:59,139 --> 00:16:55,220
understand the country but Manchester is

362
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a manufacturing industrial city right it

363
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was yeah I mean it still is - still it

364
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right it is yeah and everybody kind of

365
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kept themselves himself there was nobody

366
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talking about that type of stuff back in

367
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the early sixties and not in not in

368
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Manchester

369
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yeah well I'm asking I'm making that

370
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point because this isn't in some world

371
00:17:27,279 --> 00:17:23,990
cottage in the countryside right this is

372
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in the City of Manchester this is it was

373
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a housing estate in a very tight-knit

374
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housing estate right in in Manchester

375
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literally a stone's throw from the

376
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school where I went and friends and

377
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family all around and this incident just

378
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popped into my life for no apparent

379
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reason for no reason and it never really

380
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laughed since that day it seems to be

381
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that doorway has been left open somewhat

382
00:17:52,450 --> 00:17:51,620
and I don't know I mean it's I can't

383
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save me

384
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because people who are with me will

385
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experience this phenomena and then have

386
00:18:04,810 --> 00:18:01,340
them and it continues today now it's

387
00:18:07,379 --> 00:18:04,820
today I find it interesting that an

388
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experience like this which is a

389
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real-time tactics

390
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perience this is physical you were

391
00:18:20,370 --> 00:18:15,760
touched that is contact but you didn't

392
00:18:24,150 --> 00:18:20,380
speak about this really for how long 25

393
00:18:25,950 --> 00:18:24,160
years 25 years yeah I mean I was quietly

394
00:18:27,390 --> 00:18:25,960
doing my research I was interviewing

395
00:18:29,790 --> 00:18:27,400
people who claim to have had those

396
00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:29,800
experiences I found them fascinating but

397
00:18:34,020 --> 00:18:31,810
I didn't want to be painted with this

398
00:18:36,540 --> 00:18:34,030
brush just considered that I was a

399
00:18:39,660 --> 00:18:36,550
believer because I came into this from a

400
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very scientific side you know doing PI

401
00:18:44,100 --> 00:18:41,530
psychological research as well and

402
00:18:46,830 --> 00:18:44,110
trying to understand after doing

403
00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:46,840
behavioral psychology understand how

404
00:18:50,430 --> 00:18:48,610
people and why people might have these

405
00:18:53,340 --> 00:18:50,440
experiences I was trying to figure out

406
00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:53,350
mostly for myself why would a 7 year old

407
00:18:58,140 --> 00:18:55,570
I wasn't really allowed to watch much

408
00:19:02,580 --> 00:18:58,150
television when I was young my parents

409
00:19:04,500 --> 00:19:02,590
were very active and and I was really

410
00:19:07,770 --> 00:19:04,510
didn't really have anything like sci-fi

411
00:19:09,030 --> 00:19:07,780
things around I think had some toy cars

412
00:19:11,700 --> 00:19:09,040
and things like that and that was about

413
00:19:14,970 --> 00:19:11,710
it and and this suddenly incident

414
00:19:17,790 --> 00:19:14,980
suddenly happens out of the blue and of

415
00:19:21,060 --> 00:19:17,800
course um since then I wanted answers

416
00:19:22,470 --> 00:19:21,070
and I tried to get them by delving into

417
00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:22,480
the subject and of course it drew me

418
00:19:27,060 --> 00:19:25,090
more and more in and hearing about other

419
00:19:29,550 --> 00:19:27,070
people's experiences I can relate to

420
00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:29,560
them but I didn't talk about it for a

421
00:19:34,970 --> 00:19:32,050
good 25 years because there was some

422
00:19:39,270 --> 00:19:34,980
concern as to how people might see a

423
00:19:41,220 --> 00:19:39,280
researcher if they know that they are an

424
00:19:43,020 --> 00:19:41,230
experiencer as well I wanted to come

425
00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:43,030
into it with an open mind being

426
00:19:47,370 --> 00:19:45,250
objective and at the same time just

427
00:19:48,330 --> 00:19:47,380
taking the information and working out

428
00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:48,340
exactly channels

429
00:19:52,770 --> 00:19:50,770
what is actually going on here and of

430
00:19:54,750 --> 00:19:52,780
course those answers are still not been

431
00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:54,760
delivered even though that spent all

432
00:20:00,230 --> 00:19:57,730
this time 38 years doing this now I

433
00:20:03,810 --> 00:20:00,240
still don't have those answers as to why

434
00:20:05,670 --> 00:20:03,820
why me why then and what was it all

435
00:20:08,850 --> 00:20:05,680
about I mean that was the only type of

436
00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:08,860
incident I've had like that and it's not

437
00:20:14,700 --> 00:20:10,570
one I would want again I'd be honest

438
00:20:17,130 --> 00:20:14,710
with you but it's it's just profound I

439
00:20:19,890 --> 00:20:17,140
just I do not have the answers and I'm

440
00:20:21,390 --> 00:20:19,900
not even ever get those answers for one

441
00:20:22,470 --> 00:20:21,400
thing is been a hell of a journey over

442
00:20:24,299 --> 00:20:22,480
the last 38 years

443
00:20:28,650 --> 00:20:24,309
of trying to figure out what it was all

444
00:20:33,030 --> 00:20:28,660
about have you found anybody else in

445
00:20:35,390 --> 00:20:33,040
Manchester that had the same experience

446
00:20:38,100 --> 00:20:35,400
and certainly at around the same time

447
00:20:40,230 --> 00:20:38,110
I've taught her a few people that claim

448
00:20:42,260 --> 00:20:40,240
that they had childhood experiences

449
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:42,270
around about my age a lot of people

450
00:20:46,740 --> 00:20:44,650
report about about the age of 7 years of

451
00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:46,750
age right and sometimes bedroom

452
00:20:52,620 --> 00:20:49,600
visitations and sometimes you know other

453
00:20:54,750 --> 00:20:52,630
other locations and I was also involved

454
00:20:56,580 --> 00:20:54,760
in thrown into the field that the

455
00:20:58,140 --> 00:20:56,590
paranormal is you young my grandmother's

456
00:20:59,850 --> 00:20:58,150
house is very much haunted we all lived

457
00:21:03,930 --> 00:20:59,860
with her for some time and they had a

458
00:21:05,549 --> 00:21:03,940
poltergeist in at the house and it was

459
00:21:08,100 --> 00:21:05,559
pretty normal for me from a

460
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:08,110
seven-year-old about the power normal

461
00:21:12,150 --> 00:21:10,480
because my family didn't you know it

462
00:21:14,549 --> 00:21:12,160
didn't shy away from talking about what

463
00:21:15,900 --> 00:21:14,559
was going on at the house and that went

464
00:21:18,570 --> 00:21:15,910
on for a long time until they actually

465
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:18,580
had to relocate Manchester housing

466
00:21:23,970 --> 00:21:21,250
relocated them and pulled down those old

467
00:21:26,970 --> 00:21:23,980
houses but um I was you know I was no

468
00:21:28,770 --> 00:21:26,980
stranger to the power normal and I had

469
00:21:30,930 --> 00:21:28,780
witnessed a few things you know

470
00:21:37,140 --> 00:21:30,940
throughout my life which you could put

471
00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:37,150
as paranormal in origin now there is at

472
00:21:41,970 --> 00:21:39,280
the age of seven you know and I'm trying

473
00:21:45,150 --> 00:21:41,980
to put my head into a seven-year-olds

474
00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:45,160
you know mind but at the age of seven if

475
00:21:51,539 --> 00:21:48,640
that would happen to you today it would

476
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:51,549
be different it happened to me older I

477
00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:54,730
was ready to do some Bruce Lee right and

478
00:22:00,960 --> 00:21:58,090
and but did that were you scared

479
00:22:03,419 --> 00:22:00,970
or were you think I was absolutely

480
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:03,429
petrified right this thing I had no way

481
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:04,960
of getting past this thing because I

482
00:22:08,850 --> 00:22:06,610
would have to get by it to get to the

483
00:22:11,730 --> 00:22:08,860
door and that was the first thing I

484
00:22:14,130 --> 00:22:11,740
wanted to do is run and then as as if

485
00:22:16,530 --> 00:22:14,140
I'd light Lee moved to go to do so and

486
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:16,540
that is when I fell a complete lock I

487
00:22:22,049 --> 00:22:18,880
could not I couldn't do it I couldn't

488
00:22:25,230 --> 00:22:22,059
move and in my frustration are being

489
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:25,240
petrified at this thing slowly moving

490
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:28,330
towards me I'm grabbing down unknowingly

491
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:32,559
at the quilt cover and in my frustration

492
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:35,290
and fear I'm pulling it apart and Paul

493
00:22:41,100 --> 00:22:38,170
at the ends of this quilt because I'm

494
00:22:44,180 --> 00:22:41,110
just so frightened I had no control

495
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:44,190
I was completely conscious of my actions

496
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:47,050
that this thing was making me do these

497
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:49,330
things and I could not do anything but

498
00:22:55,020 --> 00:22:51,970
do it and I did exactly what it wanted

499
00:22:59,700 --> 00:22:55,030
me to do I know they did talk it never

500
00:23:01,440 --> 00:22:59,710
actually talked I heard it and it told

501
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:01,450
me to do certain things and even though

502
00:23:06,750 --> 00:23:03,760
I didn't want to I found myself doing

503
00:23:09,780 --> 00:23:06,760
them what and he was just totally out of

504
00:23:12,270 --> 00:23:09,790
control I was absolutely petrified his

505
00:23:14,580 --> 00:23:12,280
Steve what did it we've got three four

506
00:23:18,120 --> 00:23:14,590
minutes to the break what did it ask you

507
00:23:20,490 --> 00:23:18,130
to do well the first thing was to you

508
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:20,500
know there was an overwhelming sensation

509
00:23:29,670 --> 00:23:25,930
of happiness and he said or it said

510
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:29,680
enjoy yourself and I was jumping up and

511
00:23:33,870 --> 00:23:32,050
down on the bed laughing now this is not

512
00:23:36,270 --> 00:23:33,880
something I would be do with this thing

513
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:36,280
in the room though I I couldn't

514
00:23:40,170 --> 00:23:38,050
understand why I'm jumping up and down

515
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:40,180
on the bed and laughing and finding it

516
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:43,090
form because deep inside I was

517
00:23:48,450 --> 00:23:46,720
absolutely terrified but then next

518
00:23:52,050 --> 00:23:48,460
minute I'm sound the end of the bed

519
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:52,060
becomes very closer to my face I cannot

520
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:54,970
pull my eyes away from it sighs just no

521
00:24:01,770 --> 00:23:58,000
way would he allow me to and he wanted

522
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:01,780
me to express sadness and I felt this

523
00:24:06,510 --> 00:24:03,850
overwhelming sadness I can't explain

524
00:24:08,100 --> 00:24:06,520
what caused this sadness he wasn't like

525
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:08,110
I had flashes of images through my head

526
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:10,810
rush was upsetting I just found myself

527
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:14,050
in floods of tears and sobbing and at

528
00:24:20,330 --> 00:24:17,650
that point there was hands that came up

529
00:24:22,590 --> 00:24:20,340
I remembers he sounds coming up and

530
00:24:25,860 --> 00:24:22,600
pinching grabbing the sides of my cheek

531
00:24:27,870 --> 00:24:25,870
and pinching them very very tightly so

532
00:24:30,150 --> 00:24:27,880
the point where it was painful Ali

533
00:24:33,930 --> 00:24:30,160
wouldn't let go and I couldn't stop it

534
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:33,940
from doing this and after that it kind

535
00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:36,610
of it said everything is okay if it

536
00:24:41,910 --> 00:24:39,370
didn't all be okay and then it kind of

537
00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:41,920
stepped back and I was thinking at this

538
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:43,840
point I can make me - really for the

539
00:24:48,810 --> 00:24:46,480
door but I was still locked on it I

540
00:24:50,999 --> 00:24:48,820
could see the door but I was still

541
00:24:53,070 --> 00:24:51,009
Canadians face and it just kind of went

542
00:24:55,740 --> 00:24:53,080
back into the darkness the darkest

543
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:55,750
corner of my room and and as soon as I

544
00:24:59,970 --> 00:24:58,000
was kind of at least I think it was

545
00:25:02,430 --> 00:24:59,980
seemed like I was suddenly released and

546
00:25:04,830 --> 00:25:02,440
that was when I bolted I bolted for it

547
00:25:07,379 --> 00:25:04,840
and then and of screaming mother and

548
00:25:08,909 --> 00:25:07,389
father were all lights were on and I

549
00:25:10,379 --> 00:25:08,919
think that happened for the restoration

550
00:25:11,999 --> 00:25:10,389
of night there was no way I was going

551
00:25:14,610 --> 00:25:12,009
back in that but that left that bedroom

552
00:25:17,580 --> 00:25:14,620
how does that how does that affect

553
00:25:20,490 --> 00:25:17,590
somebody you know you're seven years old

554
00:25:22,740 --> 00:25:20,500
that's one thing but this has to leave a

555
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:22,750
mark for the rest of your life how do

556
00:25:26,430 --> 00:25:24,129
you think it changed you

557
00:25:28,740 --> 00:25:26,440
well my mother father convinced me as

558
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:28,750
young that was a dream you've had a bad

559
00:25:32,970 --> 00:25:30,610
dream you've had a bad dream and I'd

560
00:25:35,009 --> 00:25:32,980
tried desperately to convince myself

561
00:25:37,919 --> 00:25:35,019
that was the case because it was easier

562
00:25:39,659 --> 00:25:37,929
as a child because you know after that I

563
00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:39,669
had to leave the light on I was scarred

564
00:25:44,039 --> 00:25:42,370
I never had to leave the lights on but

565
00:25:47,100 --> 00:25:44,049
the light was simply the street lights

566
00:25:48,749 --> 00:25:47,110
outside to come through open curtains

567
00:25:51,389 --> 00:25:48,759
you know and I was always happy with

568
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:51,399
that from then on from from a long time

569
00:25:55,289 --> 00:25:52,960
I had to sleep with the lights on there

570
00:25:57,570 --> 00:25:55,299
was no way I certainly mother and father

571
00:25:59,970 --> 00:25:57,580
for a duration of weeks because of that

572
00:26:02,249 --> 00:25:59,980
incident I didn't settle very well

573
00:26:03,810 --> 00:26:02,259
whatsoever and but they said that they

574
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:03,820
talked to apparently had doubts and he

575
00:26:07,019 --> 00:26:05,200
said it must be night terrors whose

576
00:26:08,639 --> 00:26:07,029
nature as it happens with children done

577
00:26:10,649 --> 00:26:08,649
another very active minds and so on and

578
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:10,659
so forth right something deep down

579
00:26:15,149 --> 00:26:12,610
inside they told me that there was a lot

580
00:26:16,860 --> 00:26:15,159
more to this but I tried to convince

581
00:26:19,289 --> 00:26:16,870
myself otherwise and it was a safer

582
00:26:21,899 --> 00:26:19,299
better thing to do as a child to

583
00:26:24,419 --> 00:26:21,909
convince that and it helped me settled

584
00:26:26,399 --> 00:26:24,429
somewhat plus time went on I knew there

585
00:26:32,850 --> 00:26:26,409
was more to it well that explains

586
00:26:35,820 --> 00:26:32,860
everything Steve that explains

587
00:26:39,180 --> 00:26:35,830
everything and certainly you know

588
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:39,190
setting you on the path of a committed

589
00:26:44,999 --> 00:26:43,360
life of research that would do it that

590
00:26:47,220 --> 00:26:45,009
wouldn't that would certainly do it I

591
00:26:50,850 --> 00:26:47,230
never had I've never had anything like

592
00:26:52,919 --> 00:26:50,860
that as a child I had I had experiences

593
00:26:56,879 --> 00:26:52,929
with my family and things but and I've

594
00:26:59,159 --> 00:26:56,889
said this many times I never had the UFO

595
00:27:00,080 --> 00:26:59,169
experience I never had anything like

596
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:00,090
that I don't

597
00:27:05,630 --> 00:27:02,090
member seeing a ghost or anything

598
00:27:08,419 --> 00:27:05,640
paranormal or supernatural growing up

599
00:27:12,049 --> 00:27:08,429
everything that I encountered in my life

600
00:27:15,409 --> 00:27:12,059
was as an adult and so I don't have that

601
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:15,419
element with me fascinating absolutely

602
00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:17,490
fascinating let's take our break right

603
00:27:22,430 --> 00:27:19,049
here our guest tonight live from the

604
00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:22,440
United Kingdom Steve Mehra international

605
00:27:29,299 --> 00:27:25,289
man of mystery but not a mystery anymore

606
00:27:30,830 --> 00:27:29,309
Steve all right we'll pick up what we're

607
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:30,840
leaving off when we come back after this

608
00:27:33,950 --> 00:27:31,890
short break

609
00:27:36,350 --> 00:27:33,960
this is fade to black you can follow me

610
00:27:40,130 --> 00:27:36,360
on twitter @ JT radio you can follow

611
00:27:42,110 --> 00:27:40,140
Steve Steve what's your Twitter that's

612
00:27:43,850 --> 00:27:42,120
it was just my name Steve Miller there

613
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:43,860
you go we'll be right back up to the

614
00:28:05,279 --> 00:27:44,970
shore plates table

615
00:28:07,570 --> 00:28:05,289
[Music]

616
00:28:11,529 --> 00:28:07,580
welcome back pay the block I'm your host

617
00:28:13,169 --> 00:28:11,539
Jimmy church tonight live from the

618
00:28:20,769 --> 00:28:13,179
United Kingdom

619
00:28:23,769 --> 00:28:20,779
Steve Mehra you know Steve it's like

620
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:23,779
this okay I want to talk about Nick Pope

621
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:26,720
for a second if you don't mind yeah Nick

622
00:28:32,820 --> 00:28:28,850
of course is going to be joining us June

623
00:28:37,230 --> 00:28:32,830
26th and 27th over in Manchester but

624
00:28:40,539 --> 00:28:37,240
much has been made over the release of

625
00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:40,549
said documents coming out of the mo D in

626
00:28:48,580 --> 00:28:44,240
and what has been happening over there

627
00:28:51,639 --> 00:28:48,590
that when the news broke last week two

628
00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:51,649
weeks ago that the last pieces of these

629
00:28:56,889 --> 00:28:54,049
documents are now going to be released

630
00:28:59,409 --> 00:28:56,899
and they're going to be on the websites

631
00:29:03,159 --> 00:28:59,419
over government websites over there and

632
00:29:05,049 --> 00:29:03,169
I was pretty excited and it was headline

633
00:29:08,289 --> 00:29:05,059
news over here all of the mainstream

634
00:29:10,869 --> 00:29:08,299
media picked up the story so I'm reading

635
00:29:15,210 --> 00:29:10,879
it and this is my take you can tell me

636
00:29:20,619 --> 00:29:15,220
I'm wrong or or not but as I read this

637
00:29:23,169 --> 00:29:20,629
this was the civilian reports that are

638
00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:23,179
being released the ones that were called

639
00:29:26,740 --> 00:29:25,129
into the government and then they send

640
00:29:29,980 --> 00:29:26,750
you a questionnaire and you fill out a

641
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:29,990
form and you know what the citing wait

642
00:29:37,450 --> 00:29:34,370
at whatever but this is not the the

643
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:37,460
British Air Force right this is not this

644
00:29:44,499 --> 00:29:40,850
is not the government's knowledge of

645
00:29:47,470 --> 00:29:44,509
UFOs or ETS or contact or their studies

646
00:29:50,919 --> 00:29:47,480
or their research or or anything like

647
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:50,929
that this is from the civilian side that

648
00:29:55,119 --> 00:29:52,399
is being released am i understanding

649
00:29:59,019 --> 00:29:55,129
this correctly and it does that mean

650
00:30:01,119 --> 00:29:59,029
that it's not that big of a deal well it

651
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:01,129
depends on who you talk to Jimmy and for

652
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:03,200
me it's gonna massive deal now let's

653
00:30:07,299 --> 00:30:05,120
just to start off with I mean they

654
00:30:09,220 --> 00:30:07,309
started releasing documents quite some

655
00:30:10,389 --> 00:30:09,230
time ago and it's not the first time

656
00:30:12,669 --> 00:30:10,399
they've turned around and said well

657
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:12,679
that's kind of it we we've punched them

658
00:30:17,259 --> 00:30:14,720
out we I think this is an effort for the

659
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:17,269
Ministry of Defence to kind of be seen

660
00:30:20,290 --> 00:30:18,050
as trance

661
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:20,300
parent on the subject of UFOs and this

662
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:23,330
came very closely after closing down the

663
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:26,930
military defense staff to a reporting

664
00:30:32,140 --> 00:30:29,810
area of UFOs we can't actually report

665
00:30:34,510 --> 00:30:32,150
them to the government anymore they said

666
00:30:35,890 --> 00:30:34,520
that them can have no interested no

667
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:35,900
interest in them anymore and shot that

668
00:30:39,610 --> 00:30:37,760
department down leaving people kind of

669
00:30:43,150 --> 00:30:39,620
scratching its who do they report UFOs

670
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:43,160
to these days following that there was a

671
00:30:46,420 --> 00:30:44,960
release of documents and then it can

672
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:46,430
have said well that's us as much as

673
00:30:50,530 --> 00:30:48,320
we've got and then they found another

674
00:30:52,570 --> 00:30:50,540
lot under the carpet and they did the

675
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:52,580
same thing and and and they and they

676
00:30:58,750 --> 00:30:55,130
still doing so but for me it's really

677
00:31:01,900 --> 00:30:58,760
interesting because this this batch of

678
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:01,910
information be the civilian documents

679
00:31:07,630 --> 00:31:05,690
will tell me a lot because whilst I I

680
00:31:09,010 --> 00:31:07,640
mean a lot of people haven't been in the

681
00:31:12,670 --> 00:31:09,020
subject staff with a lot of people

682
00:31:15,310 --> 00:31:12,680
haven't been into UFOs in the UK longer

683
00:31:18,340 --> 00:31:15,320
north when Nick Pope was in office I

684
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:18,350
have and you Nick quite well and I did

685
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:20,090
correspond with me whilst he was in

686
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:22,880
office now after Nicky left there was a

687
00:31:27,490 --> 00:31:25,250
number of people at Salk ovaries in his

688
00:31:30,250 --> 00:31:27,500
place and that was a lady called gala

689
00:31:32,620 --> 00:31:30,260
south and can we fill part and I became

690
00:31:35,860 --> 00:31:32,630
quite good friends with these people and

691
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:35,870
they would willingly share information

692
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:37,610
with me we stab conversations on the

693
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:39,290
phone and it was quiet open

694
00:31:45,340 --> 00:31:40,880
conversations about incidents that took

695
00:31:47,980 --> 00:31:45,350
place and now i drawing my work in the

696
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:47,990
subject of UFOs in the UK there were

697
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:50,930
some significant significant incidents

698
00:31:56,110 --> 00:31:52,370
that took place involving police

699
00:31:59,470 --> 00:31:56,120
officers and numerous sightings and some

700
00:32:01,960 --> 00:31:59,480
of these reported in the hundreds that i

701
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:01,970
filed reports in the ministry defense

702
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:04,370
this documentation on this that the

703
00:32:08,020 --> 00:32:06,290
ministry of defence have and I've never

704
00:32:10,450 --> 00:32:08,030
seen them released it is about three

705
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:10,460
different cases but I can I can think of

706
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:12,650
that I was involved with the mo D on

707
00:32:17,710 --> 00:32:14,960
this and they've never been released so

708
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:17,720
I'm hoping that these are going to be in

709
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:20,930
that dispatch now if they're not it's

710
00:32:24,580 --> 00:32:22,730
going to tell me a lot it's gonna tell

711
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:24,590
me that angle a second they're still

712
00:32:28,090 --> 00:32:25,970
holding back some of the good stuff

713
00:32:30,670 --> 00:32:28,100
because these were very significant

714
00:32:31,330 --> 00:32:30,680
cases and and if they are holding back

715
00:32:33,370 --> 00:32:31,340
the good stuff

716
00:32:35,130 --> 00:32:33,380
and that whole theory of being

717
00:32:37,300 --> 00:32:35,140
transparent kind of goes out the window

718
00:32:38,740 --> 00:32:37,310
really to be honest with you and I'm

719
00:32:40,300 --> 00:32:38,750
sure there's still a lot more that

720
00:32:42,430 --> 00:32:40,310
they're probably satsang that still

721
00:32:45,970 --> 00:32:42,440
might not see the light of day

722
00:32:48,970 --> 00:32:45,980
unfortunately now what about the mo DS

723
00:32:53,770 --> 00:32:48,980
side of it right there royal the RAF

724
00:32:57,450 --> 00:32:53,780
side of it will we ever see release of

725
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:57,460
their research into this phenomenon and

726
00:33:02,890 --> 00:33:00,320
do you have access to that through the

727
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:02,900
same Freedom of Information Act outreach

728
00:33:07,390 --> 00:33:04,090
program

729
00:33:09,130 --> 00:33:07,400
unfortunately no not even at UK and we

730
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:09,140
don't have such programs like that which

731
00:33:12,850 --> 00:33:11,450
is a real shame because I'm sure will be

732
00:33:15,340 --> 00:33:12,860
finally left right and center with

733
00:33:18,340 --> 00:33:15,350
documentation right sometimes things do

734
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:18,350
get out and just like the halt memo from

735
00:33:22,990 --> 00:33:20,090
the Bentwaters UFO incident now in

736
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:23,000
December 1980 and things do but they

737
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:24,650
mean of course we had to go to the u.s.

738
00:33:28,210 --> 00:33:26,330
for that you know a lot of the

739
00:33:31,330 --> 00:33:28,220
information because because it was a

740
00:33:33,940 --> 00:33:31,340
joing anglo-american facility and that

741
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:33,950
information pertaining to this UFO case

742
00:33:39,010 --> 00:33:36,530
in the UK had to be obtained from the US

743
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:39,020
and that's kind of how that came out I

744
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:40,850
mean at the end of the day it's pretty

745
00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:43,010
much locked down the UK we don't tend to

746
00:33:47,950 --> 00:33:45,110
get information there's very little is

747
00:33:49,690 --> 00:33:47,960
shared and just now and again you might

748
00:33:51,370 --> 00:33:49,700
just get a little hiccup where something

749
00:33:53,650 --> 00:33:51,380
gets released and it causes a bit of a

750
00:33:55,870 --> 00:33:53,660
spin however you know it's pretty closed

751
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:55,880
down the UK is pretty tight the

752
00:33:58,750 --> 00:33:57,530
government doesn't want to correspond

753
00:34:00,610 --> 00:33:58,760
with anybody in there

754
00:34:02,890 --> 00:34:00,620
in regards of subjects of UFOs anymore

755
00:34:06,550 --> 00:34:02,900
there's no one to write to there's no

756
00:34:09,490 --> 00:34:06,560
one to have to call and really what

757
00:34:10,900 --> 00:34:09,500
people do now is they may sit could you

758
00:34:13,150 --> 00:34:10,910
could say it's a very good form of

759
00:34:15,910 --> 00:34:13,160
management that had the process of

760
00:34:18,670 --> 00:34:15,920
reporting a UFO now is simply putting

761
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:18,680
something up on YouTube or talking to

762
00:34:23,650 --> 00:34:21,050
friends and family and those stories die

763
00:34:25,330 --> 00:34:23,660
very very quickly unfortunately some of

764
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:25,340
them don't even get to be seen by

765
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:28,010
researchers and since they closing at

766
00:34:31,390 --> 00:34:30,050
the mo D you can well imagine that a lot

767
00:34:33,820 --> 00:34:31,400
of reports don't come across our desk

768
00:34:37,180 --> 00:34:33,830
it's just simply because people do not

769
00:34:39,490 --> 00:34:37,190
know the process of how to report and

770
00:34:42,490 --> 00:34:39,500
that's a real shame here in the UK now

771
00:34:44,649 --> 00:34:42,500
let's let's talk about Nick for a second

772
00:34:47,829 --> 00:34:44,659
I like Nick you spend on this

773
00:34:53,770 --> 00:34:47,839
program many times and what I have found

774
00:34:56,559 --> 00:34:53,780
is if you press Mik you will get another

775
00:34:58,599 --> 00:34:56,569
new negative information that he's never

776
00:35:03,210 --> 00:34:58,609
talking about before right yeah which

777
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:03,220
indicates to me that Nick knows things

778
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:07,490
he does do you feel the same way and and

779
00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:09,680
do I know you've known him for a long

780
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:13,730
time do you do you push him at at points

781
00:35:20,260 --> 00:35:17,170
too as well to get that that that fresh

782
00:35:21,309 --> 00:35:20,270
solder nugget of information that she

783
00:35:24,190 --> 00:35:21,319
didn't have before

784
00:35:26,140 --> 00:35:24,200
well you know I haven't pressed Nick I

785
00:35:28,359 --> 00:35:26,150
understand his situation is very

786
00:35:30,819 --> 00:35:28,369
difficult and though thy has done a

787
00:35:34,089 --> 00:35:30,829
great thing for you follow G at the same

788
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:34,099
time I have impressed him I'm assuming

789
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:37,609
that he probably is aware of information

790
00:35:42,250 --> 00:35:39,680
that is still considered sensitive and

791
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:42,260
the special areas of research Defense

792
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:45,530
Intelligence staff 55 an example in the

793
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:47,210
UK there are there are certain

794
00:35:51,099 --> 00:35:48,530
departments where they had certain

795
00:35:52,900 --> 00:35:51,109
information doing certain types of

796
00:35:55,210 --> 00:35:52,910
investigation I'm sure Nick is aware of

797
00:35:57,519 --> 00:35:55,220
further information on those things but

798
00:36:01,210 --> 00:35:57,529
maybe beholding some of these things

799
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:01,220
back and as as we approach as we go

800
00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:03,200
through time maybe there will be a

801
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:04,609
little bit more information coming

802
00:36:08,260 --> 00:36:06,650
forward at the end of the day Nick might

803
00:36:12,370 --> 00:36:08,270
even still be in correspondence with

804
00:36:14,140 --> 00:36:12,380
people that are telling him that you

805
00:36:17,170 --> 00:36:14,150
know certain promises of information can

806
00:36:19,210 --> 00:36:17,180
be released in certain times I believe

807
00:36:21,339 --> 00:36:19,220
that's very probable that if you've

808
00:36:24,430 --> 00:36:21,349
worked in the department lightness or

809
00:36:26,170 --> 00:36:24,440
the level he did that there is a process

810
00:36:28,299 --> 00:36:26,180
of releasing information at certain

811
00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:28,309
times and all this that he might not be

812
00:36:32,650 --> 00:36:30,529
able to release of course I think it's a

813
00:36:33,789 --> 00:36:32,660
matter of having to play ball really I

814
00:36:35,859 --> 00:36:33,799
think if you've worked in a department

815
00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:35,869
like that you know that's been people

816
00:36:39,789 --> 00:36:37,520
suggested that it might still have

817
00:36:41,650 --> 00:36:39,799
willful in there I don't think that's

818
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:41,660
the case I think he's doing his job I

819
00:36:44,980 --> 00:36:43,760
think he's come away and he's quite

820
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:44,990
knowledgeable about some of the

821
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:46,970
incidents that took place but I'm sure

822
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:49,970
on the grapevine as you do you hear

823
00:36:55,089 --> 00:36:52,490
things right and sometimes you don't

824
00:36:57,220 --> 00:36:55,099
want to talk about those things it could

825
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:57,230
be because that these information to

826
00:37:00,130 --> 00:36:58,130
back up what Nicky

827
00:37:02,349 --> 00:37:00,140
saying has not been officially released

828
00:37:03,999 --> 00:37:02,359
it could simply be that you know at the

829
00:37:06,279 --> 00:37:04,009
end of day I might not be really so

830
00:37:09,309 --> 00:37:06,289
maybe he's holding some things back

831
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:09,319
until there is a physical paper trail

832
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:11,119
that could becomes available for some of

833
00:37:17,079 --> 00:37:15,680
these incidents now there's a large part

834
00:37:19,319 --> 00:37:17,089
of this community and it's the

835
00:37:21,370 --> 00:37:19,329
fascination with Nick too by the way

836
00:37:25,420 --> 00:37:21,380
there's a large part of this community

837
00:37:28,809 --> 00:37:25,430
that thinks that Nick is you know he's

838
00:37:32,650 --> 00:37:28,819
still part of the company that he's

839
00:37:37,779 --> 00:37:32,660
never left and there and you can't deny

840
00:37:40,329 --> 00:37:37,789
that would--that suspicions because of

841
00:37:44,740 --> 00:37:40,339
his previous position you know and you

842
00:37:45,970 --> 00:37:44,750
never really leave right now is that is

843
00:37:48,009 --> 00:37:45,980
that something that we should consider

844
00:37:49,900 --> 00:37:48,019
with Nick and if that is the case I

845
00:37:52,799 --> 00:37:49,910
think it kicks butt by the way I think

846
00:37:57,130 --> 00:37:52,809
that makes him a really cool guy but

847
00:38:00,670 --> 00:37:57,140
could it be possible that he is he's

848
00:38:04,779 --> 00:38:00,680
just doing his job he could be it could

849
00:38:06,579 --> 00:38:04,789
be I mean we don't know for sure what we

850
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:06,589
don't say is that Nick has shared things

851
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:08,930
that is not necessarily had to share

852
00:38:13,900 --> 00:38:11,119
right and that's that that's a good

853
00:38:15,279 --> 00:38:13,910
thing for you follow gee especially when

854
00:38:17,140 --> 00:38:15,289
we've been a bit vague on certain

855
00:38:19,630 --> 00:38:17,150
incidents and it's come to light our

856
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:19,640
information through Nick sharing this

857
00:38:24,329 --> 00:38:22,160
information absolutely yes that is

858
00:38:27,460 --> 00:38:24,339
important that's the way forward and

859
00:38:30,009 --> 00:38:27,470
despite his actions despite who and

860
00:38:31,539 --> 00:38:30,019
where he worked the critical information

861
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:31,549
has been pleased to be brought forward

862
00:38:37,539 --> 00:38:34,400
by Nick which has really helped conclude

863
00:38:41,140 --> 00:38:37,549
on some major UFO incidents over over

864
00:38:43,630 --> 00:38:41,150
the period of time for me I don't think

865
00:38:47,499 --> 00:38:43,640
he's working for the government I think

866
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:47,509
he actually is is is is there to assist

867
00:38:51,970 --> 00:38:49,130
if said that he has an interest in this

868
00:38:54,249 --> 00:38:51,980
subject is there to assist his tattoos

869
00:38:55,839 --> 00:38:54,259
do as much as you possibly can do at the

870
00:38:58,089 --> 00:38:55,849
end of the day though when it comes to

871
00:38:59,799 --> 00:38:58,099
giving out information maybe that this

872
00:39:01,569 --> 00:38:59,809
somebody does have to cause bond with

873
00:39:04,359 --> 00:39:01,579
you know maybe there is a filtering

874
00:39:07,329 --> 00:39:04,369
process that I should get so right what

875
00:39:10,820 --> 00:39:07,339
I mean would you be surprised if you

876
00:39:12,860 --> 00:39:10,830
found out that that Nick is

877
00:39:15,830 --> 00:39:12,870
you know still what I mean with it would

878
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:15,840
it be would it surprise you no no I

879
00:39:21,020 --> 00:39:17,970
wouldn't surprise me boy we certainly

880
00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:21,030
wouldn't bother me at the end of the day

881
00:39:25,790 --> 00:39:23,730
and whatever that we're being told with

882
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:25,800
Nick is normally there's a paper trail

883
00:39:31,340 --> 00:39:29,250
you can go and find information that

884
00:39:32,750 --> 00:39:31,350
leads I mean sometimes you just put the

885
00:39:35,180 --> 00:39:32,760
dots together and said look guys here's

886
00:39:36,380 --> 00:39:35,190
the paperwork this is the incident and

887
00:39:37,940 --> 00:39:36,390
you can draw and you can put these

888
00:39:39,530 --> 00:39:37,950
together and kind of work it out you

889
00:39:41,330 --> 00:39:39,540
know it's not like Lee's telling us

890
00:39:43,550 --> 00:39:41,340
information and there's no paper trail

891
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:43,560
existence of this thing right you know

892
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:46,050
sometimes there is paperwork which means

893
00:39:51,500 --> 00:39:48,000
that obviously he's talking about a

894
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:51,510
subject and a related experience or

895
00:39:55,790 --> 00:39:53,280
incident it's taking place where there

896
00:39:58,610 --> 00:39:55,800
is credible evidence to support it

897
00:40:00,860 --> 00:39:58,620
well you bring up a great point it's

898
00:40:03,860 --> 00:40:00,870
it's all good as long as the information

899
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:03,870
is is solid and like you said has a

900
00:40:07,580 --> 00:40:06,090
paper trail and it can be backed up it's

901
00:40:10,490 --> 00:40:07,590
another thing altogether if it's

902
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:10,500
disinformation and and that's what we're

903
00:40:14,990 --> 00:40:12,480
dealing with and that wouldn't be cool

904
00:40:17,450 --> 00:40:15,000
so I totally agree with you there I

905
00:40:20,060 --> 00:40:17,460
wanted to ask you though did you ever

906
00:40:23,540 --> 00:40:20,070
get a chance to visit Nick in his office

907
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:23,550
I know I didn't I could correspond with

908
00:40:28,310 --> 00:40:26,370
him a number of time I also was involved

909
00:40:31,730 --> 00:40:28,320
in a number of TV shows when Nick was

910
00:40:34,250 --> 00:40:31,740
also there and been on panels with Nick

911
00:40:37,610 --> 00:40:34,260
right from the early days and when he's

912
00:40:39,410 --> 00:40:37,620
first left the mo D and because

913
00:40:40,730 --> 00:40:39,420
everybody read the UK wondered hey who

914
00:40:43,220 --> 00:40:40,740
is this guy you know he's suddenly

915
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:43,230
turned up our UFO conference and it was

916
00:40:47,210 --> 00:40:45,690
certainly a buzz to to those events

917
00:40:50,330 --> 00:40:47,220
because of his position

918
00:40:52,970 --> 00:40:50,340
sure however back then it wasn't saying

919
00:40:54,860 --> 00:40:52,980
too much I think he was very guarded and

920
00:40:58,640 --> 00:40:54,870
I think I've repaired a town he's learnt

921
00:41:01,220 --> 00:40:58,650
how much information he can release and

922
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:01,230
maybe that there is more to come but

923
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:04,170
there is a systematic process of how and

924
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:06,930
when that information gets released well

925
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:10,410
and and I'm asking because of the now

926
00:41:15,500 --> 00:41:12,810
infamous photograph the poster that he

927
00:41:17,870 --> 00:41:15,510
had behind his desk right the of the

928
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:17,880
craft in that was shot in the valley

929
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:21,210
there in the United Kingdom by the two

930
00:41:26,930 --> 00:41:24,090
kids and which

931
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:26,940
he proudly displayed showed up in his

932
00:41:31,010 --> 00:41:28,890
office one day and it was gone right

933
00:41:31,370 --> 00:41:31,020
somebody took it and it was never seen

934
00:41:34,070 --> 00:41:31,380
again

935
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:34,080
I was wondering if you have ever seen

936
00:41:39,890 --> 00:41:36,690
that picture that he has referred to so

937
00:41:41,870 --> 00:41:39,900
many times over the years I have seen

938
00:41:47,740 --> 00:41:41,880
the picture not to Nick believe somebody

939
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:47,750
else ah see that's why we love you Steve

940
00:41:54,110 --> 00:41:50,880
that's why we love you okay

941
00:41:56,690 --> 00:41:54,120
what what did you see in the picture

942
00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:56,700
describe it well you know obviously it

943
00:42:00,140 --> 00:41:58,170
was just it was a photograph that was

944
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:00,150
taken by kids and it was a UFO in the

945
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:01,410
sky and you could clearly see a

946
00:42:08,270 --> 00:42:04,650
different shape there Nick had it open

947
00:42:10,490 --> 00:42:08,280
did it make a drizzle but it was I think

948
00:42:13,580 --> 00:42:10,500
because when Nick because our to become

949
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:13,590
more publicly orientated because he

950
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:15,570
didn't cut his I could show you his

951
00:42:19,700 --> 00:42:17,280
correspondence they were sure and sweet

952
00:42:21,350 --> 00:42:19,710
most of the time and he starts to come

953
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:21,360
out a lot more information once it left

954
00:42:27,230 --> 00:42:24,240
the emod but maybe that the whole

955
00:42:30,020 --> 00:42:27,240
attitude to was the subject was beamed a

956
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:30,030
little bit too out there a little bit to

957
00:42:34,460 --> 00:42:32,160
X finally because that you got to

958
00:42:36,260 --> 00:42:34,470
consider the time this was happening you

959
00:42:38,990 --> 00:42:36,270
know x-files was pretty prominent in the

960
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:39,000
UK and hence they used to use that

961
00:42:45,590 --> 00:42:42,480
reference you know Nick Pope is he is

962
00:42:47,870 --> 00:42:45,600
the you know the x-files guy because it

963
00:42:50,420 --> 00:42:47,880
fell in line perfectly with with the TV

964
00:42:52,430 --> 00:42:50,430
show and of course it was perfect timing

965
00:42:54,650 --> 00:42:52,440
I mean everybody wanted to know what

966
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:54,660
does the government guy know and when he

967
00:42:59,120 --> 00:42:56,850
first came along it you know he didn't

968
00:43:01,580 --> 00:42:59,130
talk about too much sensitive material

969
00:43:04,130 --> 00:43:01,590
but when I saw it I recognized that that

970
00:43:08,510 --> 00:43:04,140
was the actual photograph well and he

971
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:08,520
said that I loved all of the evidence I

972
00:43:15,950 --> 00:43:11,760
came across his desk at the mo D that

973
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:15,960
that was the one piece that he could say

974
00:43:24,980 --> 00:43:20,730
that that was an unidentified right that

975
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:24,990
that there was no way to classify that

976
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:27,210
photograph and if there was evidence of

977
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:29,850
something visiting this planet what was

978
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:32,850
in that picture would be it would you

979
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:42,470
no I wouldn't agree with Nick on that is

980
00:43:46,700 --> 00:43:44,250
because for the research that I've been

981
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:46,710
involved in will say that we have been

982
00:43:51,110 --> 00:43:49,530
involved with advanced technology in

983
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:51,120
flying vehicles for a considerable

984
00:43:54,980 --> 00:43:53,280
length of time a long time longer than

985
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:54,990
we initially think we are I mean the you

986
00:43:58,880 --> 00:43:56,400
know the program on exotic exotic

987
00:44:00,290 --> 00:43:58,890
aircraft is tremendous you know I mean

988
00:44:01,970 --> 00:44:00,300
we only got a tech example of the

989
00:44:04,940 --> 00:44:01,980
stealth fighter as an example you know

990
00:44:07,370 --> 00:44:04,950
turned up on our TV screens in 1991 join

991
00:44:09,740 --> 00:44:07,380
me the Gulf War think it was it was

992
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:09,750
televised in the UK and we thought what

993
00:44:14,510 --> 00:44:12,210
the hell is that you know when we saw it

994
00:44:16,700 --> 00:44:14,520
and of course he suddenly realized what

995
00:44:19,250 --> 00:44:16,710
the Americans had and had been hiding

996
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:19,260
for a while is the stealth fighter now

997
00:44:24,650 --> 00:44:21,570
when we realize that it was books

998
00:44:27,650 --> 00:44:24,660
released from 1970s showing the stealth

999
00:44:31,250 --> 00:44:27,660
fighter in 1973-1974

1000
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:31,260
being flown by Lockheed we consider how

1001
00:44:36,260 --> 00:44:32,970
long that was kept secret before we even

1002
00:44:37,580 --> 00:44:36,270
saw it in 1991 on our TV screens you

1003
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:37,590
know we've always got to consider that

1004
00:44:41,540 --> 00:44:39,690
there is a possibility that we have been

1005
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:41,550
test-flying exotic aircraft for a long

1006
00:44:46,250 --> 00:44:43,890
long time and the problem is is that

1007
00:44:46,670 --> 00:44:46,260
these things will get misidentified for

1008
00:44:49,940 --> 00:44:46,680
sure

1009
00:44:53,150 --> 00:44:49,950
misidentified not it's not hundreds if

1010
00:44:57,260 --> 00:44:53,160
not thousands of times by people living

1011
00:44:59,540 --> 00:44:57,270
in areas where they do test flights and

1012
00:45:01,880 --> 00:44:59,550
we still have that even today in the

1013
00:45:04,820 --> 00:45:01,890
misidentifying misidentifications of

1014
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:04,830
some of these exotic flights of certain

1015
00:45:08,690 --> 00:45:06,480
aircraft we have it over here called the

1016
00:45:10,370 --> 00:45:08,700
litter honest which is an unmanned

1017
00:45:12,740 --> 00:45:10,380
vehicle which is being misidentified as

1018
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:12,750
a UFO and I think it's been going on for

1019
00:45:17,690 --> 00:45:14,610
quiet consumer at the time I think we

1020
00:45:19,220 --> 00:45:17,700
have to go back beyond beyond any

1021
00:45:22,340 --> 00:45:19,230
reasonable doubt that we had the

1022
00:45:24,650 --> 00:45:22,350
technology to do that to a point in time

1023
00:45:28,130 --> 00:45:24,660
we're saying yes okay now a UFO will

1024
00:45:29,690 --> 00:45:28,140
constitute as a real UFO when we don't

1025
00:45:33,140 --> 00:45:29,700
have certain technology where it's

1026
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:33,150
impossible for serve had technology died

1027
00:45:40,940 --> 00:45:36,690
advanced so you're suggesting that what

1028
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:40,950
you saw you have identified as the

1029
00:45:45,590 --> 00:45:42,810
stealth fighter this was some type of

1030
00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:45,600
advanced aircraft that was being test

1031
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:47,730
flown and these kids happen to be at the

1032
00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:50,610
right place at the right time I believe

1033
00:45:53,300 --> 00:45:51,510
that a lot

1034
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:53,310
have been carried out in the UK over the

1035
00:45:58,370 --> 00:45:56,400
years I know of a number of incidents

1036
00:46:00,980 --> 00:45:58,380
that took place in the late seventies

1037
00:46:04,340 --> 00:46:00,990
where they were definitely test-flying

1038
00:46:06,050 --> 00:46:04,350
aircraft a specialized aircraft when

1039
00:46:08,270 --> 00:46:06,060
anglo-american facilities were available

1040
00:46:09,650 --> 00:46:08,280
test flying them and being misidentified

1041
00:46:12,050 --> 00:46:09,660
UofL's an occasionally being

1042
00:46:13,340 --> 00:46:12,060
photographed and being called a UFO and

1043
00:46:13,940 --> 00:46:13,350
the press would pick up on it and so on

1044
00:46:16,580 --> 00:46:13,950
and so forth

1045
00:46:18,890 --> 00:46:16,590
and sure the Ministry of Defence at that

1046
00:46:21,590 --> 00:46:18,900
time would have been alerted regarding

1047
00:46:23,330 --> 00:46:21,600
these incidents these people reporting

1048
00:46:25,940 --> 00:46:23,340
these things but not necessarily have

1049
00:46:27,950 --> 00:46:25,950
known what those objects constitute

1050
00:46:29,410 --> 00:46:27,960
because why should the Ministry of

1051
00:46:32,810 --> 00:46:29,420
Defence know I mean this is a very

1052
00:46:35,210 --> 00:46:32,820
compartment compartmentalised study in

1053
00:46:37,370 --> 00:46:35,220
the UFO and only people need to know

1054
00:46:39,230 --> 00:46:37,380
will need to know about these test flies

1055
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,240
really facts when I talk with the truth

1056
00:46:44,090 --> 00:46:41,520
server space they said oh we're we are

1057
00:46:45,500 --> 00:46:44,100
aware that we build the taranis but when

1058
00:46:47,690 --> 00:46:45,510
we want to test fly it we put it on a

1059
00:46:50,570 --> 00:46:47,700
Hercules bomber and we fly over to the

1060
00:46:52,190 --> 00:46:50,580
USA and fly in test flight there how you

1061
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:52,200
trial that tell me that you know that

1062
00:46:55,940 --> 00:46:54,240
they spend all that money to send it all

1063
00:46:57,170 --> 00:46:55,950
the way over there to test fly absolute

1064
00:47:00,010 --> 00:46:57,180
rubbish they're gonna be test flown

1065
00:47:02,500 --> 00:47:00,020
across the UK across the moor lungs and

1066
00:47:04,580 --> 00:47:02,510
and hills and mountain areas and

1067
00:47:06,590 --> 00:47:04,590
occasionally they're gonna be witnessed

1068
00:47:08,110 --> 00:47:06,600
photographed and seen I believe he

1069
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:08,120
probably doing that for quite some time

1070
00:47:15,020 --> 00:47:11,610
and what about before we get to the

1071
00:47:18,590 --> 00:47:15,030
break is it the same situation with

1072
00:47:21,770 --> 00:47:18,600
Belgium and you know the the triangles

1073
00:47:24,140 --> 00:47:21,780
that went out four years and I mean they

1074
00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:24,150
were scrambling Jets and their press

1075
00:47:29,810 --> 00:47:27,200
conferences and it this is a very public

1076
00:47:32,300 --> 00:47:29,820
situation do you think that that was the

1077
00:47:33,890 --> 00:47:32,310
tr-3b and it was just you know test

1078
00:47:36,170 --> 00:47:33,900
flying or do you think it was something

1079
00:47:38,330 --> 00:47:36,180
extraterrestrial well I've always

1080
00:47:40,850 --> 00:47:38,340
thought the tr-3b was ours

1081
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:40,860
I mean he's built our damn it he said

1082
00:47:44,570 --> 00:47:42,570
we're dynamic he's built to fly in our

1083
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:44,580
atmosphere if he's coming from space a

1084
00:47:48,050 --> 00:47:46,410
brick or flying space you know I mean he

1085
00:47:49,940 --> 00:47:48,060
said at the end of the day you know when

1086
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:49,950
you'd be back research you start to find

1087
00:47:55,700 --> 00:47:53,370
out there was a tr3 a you know the the

1088
00:47:58,250 --> 00:47:55,710
black mantra and of course that had

1089
00:48:00,110 --> 00:47:58,260
references in the UK as well um and

1090
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:00,120
there were conversations in the early

1091
00:48:04,580 --> 00:48:03,690
1980s between officials regarding the

1092
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:04,590
black melter

1093
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:08,250
and angular facilities American and UK

1094
00:48:13,460 --> 00:48:11,040
facilities here here in the UK where

1095
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:13,470
they were allegedly kept or being flown

1096
00:48:20,180 --> 00:48:16,880
so we have to consider the fact that

1097
00:48:22,310 --> 00:48:20,190
those things might actually be our tech

1098
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:22,320
it could really be our technology

1099
00:48:27,890 --> 00:48:25,200
however when you want to parade these

1100
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:27,900
things in certain villages or places

1101
00:48:32,060 --> 00:48:29,760
around the world people are gonna

1102
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:32,070
naturally shout and point up to the sky

1103
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:34,800
and the same UFO which is great for any

1104
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:36,330
authority who's trying to hide these

1105
00:48:40,490 --> 00:48:38,160
things because it immediately takes the

1106
00:48:40,850 --> 00:48:40,500
blame away from them and on to something

1107
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:40,860
else

1108
00:48:45,620 --> 00:48:43,920
but I do believe is a true UFO phenomena

1109
00:48:48,860 --> 00:48:45,630
but I think it's become a time now where

1110
00:48:51,530 --> 00:48:48,870
it's extremely difficult to identify the

1111
00:48:54,620 --> 00:48:51,540
difference between the real phenomena

1112
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:54,630
and the what you might refer to as

1113
00:49:01,250 --> 00:48:57,090
advanced technology right right yeah and

1114
00:49:04,970 --> 00:49:01,260
I agree with you the one thing that I

1115
00:49:07,970 --> 00:49:04,980
take issue with when it comes to Belgium

1116
00:49:12,110 --> 00:49:07,980
and what went on for a couple of years

1117
00:49:16,460 --> 00:49:12,120
is that here we are 2020 and we are not

1118
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:16,470
seeing fleets of tr3 bees it seems like

1119
00:49:23,060 --> 00:49:19,770
it stopped and it stopped as quick as it

1120
00:49:25,490 --> 00:49:23,070
started and where did that technology go

1121
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:25,500
and that would suggest to me an ET

1122
00:49:30,530 --> 00:49:29,010
component only because it hasn't been

1123
00:49:32,900 --> 00:49:30,540
revealed the stealth fighters been

1124
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:32,910
revealed right the b-2 bomber has been

1125
00:49:38,060 --> 00:49:35,040
revealed we're looking at the f-22 now

1126
00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:38,070
and the 35 and we know what the Russians

1127
00:49:43,490 --> 00:49:40,800
have and and is advanced as these

1128
00:49:46,550 --> 00:49:43,500
fighter jets are and this technology

1129
00:49:49,220 --> 00:49:46,560
we're not seeing tr3 bees and we're not

1130
00:49:51,740 --> 00:49:49,230
seeing fleets of this technology and

1131
00:49:53,630 --> 00:49:51,750
we're not seeing it like we were over

1132
00:49:55,970 --> 00:49:53,640
Belgium that's that's where I just kind

1133
00:49:57,740 --> 00:49:55,980
of stopped him scratch my head I mean it

1134
00:49:59,530 --> 00:49:57,750
was a perfect incident I mean if you

1135
00:50:03,830 --> 00:49:59,540
really want to put this to the test

1136
00:50:07,730 --> 00:50:03,840
you have a live-action event you don't

1137
00:50:10,970 --> 00:50:07,740
inform anybody of anything and you get

1138
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:10,980
real scenario unfolding which is perfect

1139
00:50:15,470 --> 00:50:12,960
it means we do that hidden in the army

1140
00:50:18,260 --> 00:50:15,480
in the forces when we want a special

1141
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:18,270
training to take place we

1142
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:20,610
inform the squadron what's gonna happen

1143
00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:22,050
whilst they're out there just be an

1144
00:50:25,810 --> 00:50:23,760
ambush situation or situation and they

1145
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:25,820
have to certainly face to get true

1146
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:29,010
statistics and I think that is a perfect

1147
00:50:35,180 --> 00:50:31,890
opportunity over Belgium to be test test

1148
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:35,190
it against Belgium's best air force and

1149
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:38,850
the situation unfolded as it should do

1150
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:41,760
as a real component which can be studied

1151
00:50:46,190 --> 00:50:44,130
a lot of those conclusions and say okay

1152
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:46,200
we're getting strew to sister testes

1153
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:48,000
here you know and we can only get that

1154
00:50:52,850 --> 00:50:50,400
from people not knowing about these

1155
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:52,860
events and what's going to occur and I

1156
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:54,690
think I think it could bring a perfect

1157
00:50:58,460 --> 00:50:57,090
exercise to be done I mean the black

1158
00:51:00,140 --> 00:50:58,470
triangles are still currently you know

1159
00:51:01,940 --> 00:51:00,150
be are still being seen I've seen one

1160
00:51:06,970 --> 00:51:01,950
myself and they are quite amazing

1161
00:51:09,470 --> 00:51:06,980
and they are seen around the world but

1162
00:51:12,020 --> 00:51:09,480
according to information these were

1163
00:51:14,330 --> 00:51:12,030
initially refer to his platform vehicles

1164
00:51:18,140 --> 00:51:14,340
and we're allegedly manufactured and

1165
00:51:20,900 --> 00:51:18,150
flown in the in the mid 1960s and whilst

1166
00:51:24,349 --> 00:51:20,910
we were all focusing on the the landing

1167
00:51:27,950 --> 00:51:24,359
of the Neil Armstrong Buzz Aldrin on the

1168
00:51:31,780 --> 00:51:27,960
moon in 66 was about sixty nine yes we

1169
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:31,790
we were probably flying these things in

1170
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:36,570
low orbital paths in 1965 we can see a

1171
00:51:41,090 --> 00:51:39,210
massive divide with technology here and

1172
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:41,100
I think it's that massive divide ins

1173
00:51:45,380 --> 00:51:42,570
because probably what because of what

1174
00:51:48,410 --> 00:51:45,390
the technology consists of is why we see

1175
00:51:49,849 --> 00:51:48,420
this not coming forward I mean how long

1176
00:51:51,470 --> 00:51:49,859
does the stealth bomber been out there

1177
00:51:53,690 --> 00:51:51,480
it's been out there for a long time you

1178
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:53,700
can go and see this at air shows and

1179
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:55,440
things you try getting near it though

1180
00:51:59,690 --> 00:51:57,330
that's a whole different ballgame try

1181
00:52:01,790 --> 00:51:59,700
finding out the information about what

1182
00:52:03,859 --> 00:52:01,800
it actually consists of how does it take

1183
00:52:06,349 --> 00:52:03,869
off on the wrong way which is half the

1184
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:06,359
size it needs you know what type of tech

1185
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:09,090
isn't using and you'll start to find

1186
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:11,609
that is utilizing certain technology

1187
00:52:16,010 --> 00:52:14,130
that they do not want out and that's the

1188
00:52:18,859 --> 00:52:16,020
reason why you can't get hands-on on a

1189
00:52:20,420 --> 00:52:18,869
stealth bomber you know and you might be

1190
00:52:21,500 --> 00:52:20,430
able to see what an airshow and so on

1191
00:52:23,210 --> 00:52:21,510
and so forth but when he starts getting

1192
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:23,220
to the crux of the matter you're not

1193
00:52:26,510 --> 00:52:24,450
going to get near one

1194
00:52:28,910 --> 00:52:26,520
and that's pod because it involves

1195
00:52:32,049 --> 00:52:28,920
certain technologies being utilized in

1196
00:52:35,959 --> 00:52:32,059
in the in the Bombers wings give it lift

1197
00:52:38,959 --> 00:52:35,969
and this electromagnetic field around it

1198
00:52:41,029 --> 00:52:38,969
reduces its weight vastly to do so this

1199
00:52:42,859 --> 00:52:41,039
specialized technology is I think is

1200
00:52:45,319 --> 00:52:42,869
that's what keeps us from this

1201
00:52:47,420 --> 00:52:45,329
information coming forward that we might

1202
00:52:49,279 --> 00:52:47,430
have these platform vehicles and have

1203
00:52:50,929 --> 00:52:49,289
these capabilities but it's the tech

1204
00:52:52,189 --> 00:52:50,939
it's involved because when you start

1205
00:52:54,229 --> 00:52:52,199
asking where the tech is coming from

1206
00:52:56,660 --> 00:52:54,239
that's where you starts getting a bit

1207
00:52:59,420 --> 00:52:56,670
tricky let's take our break right here

1208
00:53:02,150 --> 00:52:59,430
our guest tonight Steve Mehra live for a

1209
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:02,160
Manchester Steve great conversation

1210
00:53:06,019 --> 00:53:03,599
we'll pick it up where we are leaving

1211
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:06,029
off right now this is fade to black I'm

1212
00:53:10,519 --> 00:53:07,680
your host Jimmy Church on the game

1213
00:53:14,110 --> 00:53:10,529
changer network and kg are a the planets

1214
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:51,980
[Music]

1215
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:54,540
welcome back fade to black I am your

1216
00:54:00,000 --> 00:53:56,800
host Jimmy Church tonight live from the

1217
00:54:05,130 --> 00:54:00,010
UK Steve Mehra and I want to remind

1218
00:54:07,410 --> 00:54:05,140
everybody June 26th and 27th 2020 we

1219
00:54:09,930 --> 00:54:07,420
will be over in the UK at the awakening

1220
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:09,940
conference in Manchester with Erich von

1221
00:54:14,910 --> 00:54:12,160
däniken and Richard Dolan Nick Pope

1222
00:54:16,859 --> 00:54:14,920
Grant Cameron we're gonna be talking

1223
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:16,869
about this a little bit later 12 other

1224
00:54:21,569 --> 00:54:19,450
speakers special guests and just go to

1225
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:21,579
for tickets and information awakening

1226
00:54:26,099 --> 00:54:23,680
UFO calm we'll talk more about this at

1227
00:54:27,390 --> 00:54:26,109
the top of the hour but Steve I wanted

1228
00:54:29,250 --> 00:54:27,400
to have I want to say on the

1229
00:54:32,250 --> 00:54:29,260
international side of research for a

1230
00:54:35,490 --> 00:54:32,260
second and I want to talk about a

1231
00:54:41,309 --> 00:54:35,500
subject that is is uncomfortable for

1232
00:54:44,549 --> 00:54:41,319
many it certainly was for me I did I did

1233
00:54:48,030 --> 00:54:44,559
go in I went down the rabbit hole with a

1234
00:54:50,819 --> 00:54:48,040
Richard D Hall and I haven't heard much

1235
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:50,829
of Richard lately what happened to

1236
00:54:55,799 --> 00:54:52,450
Richard E Hall and of course I'm talking

1237
00:54:58,680 --> 00:54:55,809
about the the touchy subject of human

1238
00:55:00,780 --> 00:54:58,690
mutilations we did a lot of research out

1239
00:55:03,660 --> 00:55:00,790
there with Linda and others on cattle

1240
00:55:07,470 --> 00:55:03,670
mutilations and things but the subject

1241
00:55:09,870 --> 00:55:07,480
of human mutilations is is a heavy one

1242
00:55:13,039 --> 00:55:09,880
and Richard was front and center with

1243
00:55:15,690 --> 00:55:13,049
all of that where is he these days well

1244
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:15,700
that's a good question I mean a lot of

1245
00:55:19,559 --> 00:55:17,170
people have been asking that question to

1246
00:55:21,299 --> 00:55:19,569
me in the UK I'm good friends with

1247
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:21,309
Richard have lectured alongside him I

1248
00:55:26,579 --> 00:55:23,440
last saw him probably about three or

1249
00:55:28,170 --> 00:55:26,589
four years ago and and he was still

1250
00:55:30,859 --> 00:55:28,180
prominently lecturing and no he's had a

1251
00:55:33,829 --> 00:55:30,869
number of issues with his TV channel

1252
00:55:36,569 --> 00:55:33,839
which was going out across in the UK

1253
00:55:38,910 --> 00:55:36,579
woman it wasn't on and then it was bad

1254
00:55:41,010 --> 00:55:38,920
and then it wasn't and I know that

1255
00:55:42,539 --> 00:55:41,020
because there was controversy over they

1256
00:55:45,059 --> 00:55:42,549
didn't like what was actually he was

1257
00:55:47,309 --> 00:55:45,069
researching he was very bold researcher

1258
00:55:50,250 --> 00:55:47,319
he asked questions people that even I

1259
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:50,260
wouldn't ask and I credit him and I have

1260
00:55:55,950 --> 00:55:53,770
credited him many times for his bravery

1261
00:56:00,030 --> 00:55:55,960
he was a bit of a lone man and going for

1262
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:00,040
it and fantastic things I think changed

1263
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:03,130
when he settled down and he had a child

1264
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:07,450
and I think that that was an impact on

1265
00:56:13,260 --> 00:56:11,410
his research because one can always when

1266
00:56:14,940 --> 00:56:13,270
you're alone when you're alone and you

1267
00:56:16,859 --> 00:56:14,950
go out there you do this research and

1268
00:56:20,250 --> 00:56:16,869
you haven't got people connected to you

1269
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:20,260
in that manner then you know you can be

1270
00:56:26,100 --> 00:56:22,480
a little bit more forward in your

1271
00:56:28,170 --> 00:56:26,110
investigation sure but now with a sense

1272
00:56:31,050 --> 00:56:28,180
that he's had a little come on the scene

1273
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:31,060
I believe he looks like he's just taking

1274
00:56:38,220 --> 00:56:35,440
a step back I'm not pressing these very

1275
00:56:41,490 --> 00:56:38,230
important issues that people kind of

1276
00:56:43,980 --> 00:56:41,500
don't talk about um I've certainly done

1277
00:56:46,650 --> 00:56:43,990
my research in in in the area as well

1278
00:56:48,660 --> 00:56:46,660
but it's it's a bit of a taboo area it's

1279
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:48,670
not welcomed out a lot of different

1280
00:56:56,190 --> 00:56:52,330
places these conversations but is

1281
00:56:58,380 --> 00:56:56,200
something that still does continue the

1282
00:57:01,800 --> 00:56:58,390
the one thing that Richard had the

1283
00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:01,810
freedom of and especially back when he

1284
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:06,400
was how do I say he was he was an

1285
00:57:11,220 --> 00:57:08,410
influence or he was a big part of this

1286
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:11,230
community but he had his brilliant

1287
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:14,050
website a lot of Technology invested

1288
00:57:19,410 --> 00:57:17,050
into it he had as his network his

1289
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:19,420
television network and and his radio

1290
00:57:31,140 --> 00:57:25,210
program and nobody I mean nobody asked a

1291
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:31,150
question like Richard D Hall you know oh

1292
00:57:36,450 --> 00:57:33,490
man he had you know he had me on the

1293
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:36,460
edge of my seat because I as an

1294
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:40,210
interviewer would be reticent to go into

1295
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:43,690
the zones that he did but he he

1296
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:48,130
continued this for years and his his his

1297
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:50,410
knowledge of the subject is second to

1298
00:57:54,750 --> 00:57:51,730
none

1299
00:57:56,849 --> 00:57:54,760
and when we talk about human mutilations

1300
00:58:00,300 --> 00:57:56,859
and you're gonna go out and look at for

1301
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:00,310
evidence of this and question and and

1302
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:01,810
you know go throughout the country

1303
00:58:06,420 --> 00:58:04,050
looking into this very sensitive issue

1304
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:06,430
there are going to be people that push

1305
00:58:09,490 --> 00:58:07,040
back

1306
00:58:12,030 --> 00:58:09,500
that's what he encountered right yes

1307
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:12,040
absolutely I mean you were people saying

1308
00:58:16,930 --> 00:58:14,240
regularly to him that you shouldn't talk

1309
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:16,940
about these sort of things you can

1310
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:19,250
consider that the reasons why obviously

1311
00:58:24,790 --> 00:58:21,440
you know if these incidents are truly

1312
00:58:27,730 --> 00:58:24,800
happening then there is some concern in

1313
00:58:30,850 --> 00:58:27,740
regarding panicking people and so that's

1314
00:58:32,590 --> 00:58:30,860
kind of the main reason of course there

1315
00:58:34,780 --> 00:58:32,600
are people won't want misinformation out

1316
00:58:37,410 --> 00:58:34,790
and of course Richard was like a dog

1317
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:37,420
chasing a bone he would never leave it

1318
00:58:42,190 --> 00:58:40,130
to the point where you know people would

1319
00:58:44,050 --> 00:58:42,200
get angry with him aggressive with him

1320
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:44,060
I'm sure he's had a few threats in his

1321
00:58:48,070 --> 00:58:47,450
time sure you know so it season it isn't

1322
00:58:50,650 --> 00:58:48,080
for everybody

1323
00:58:52,450 --> 00:58:50,660
I admit I mean you'll find out most of

1324
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:52,460
the researchers in the field have delved

1325
00:58:58,960 --> 00:58:55,850
into it somewhat and I kind of put it on

1326
00:59:02,170 --> 00:58:58,970
the shelf because it is it's a bit of a

1327
00:59:05,700 --> 00:59:02,180
taboo it is it is did you did you jump

1328
00:59:09,580 --> 00:59:05,710
into the research well I was actually

1329
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:09,590
for me I was quite shocked I was invited

1330
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:12,410
in 1998 there was a nought there was an

1331
00:59:17,950 --> 00:59:14,450
organisation called quest international

1332
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:17,960
run by Toni Dodd a research in the UK he

1333
00:59:21,910 --> 00:59:20,210
was a police officer right it had his

1334
00:59:24,180 --> 00:59:21,920
own UFO experience and opened this

1335
00:59:26,890 --> 00:59:24,190
organization and they had regular

1336
00:59:31,090 --> 00:59:26,900
reasonably large conferences in the UK

1337
00:59:34,060 --> 00:59:31,100
in Sheffield and Leeds and I was invited

1338
00:59:36,820 --> 00:59:34,070
along and a met with Bob Dean some

1339
00:59:40,420 --> 00:59:36,830
researchers will know Bob Dean he was

1340
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:40,430
involved in the shape report and he'd

1341
00:59:46,300 --> 00:59:42,770
been involved in me in the study of UFOs

1342
00:59:48,310 --> 00:59:46,310
took quite some time had lectured around

1343
00:59:49,570 --> 00:59:48,320
the year he was it you had visited UK a

1344
00:59:53,260 --> 00:59:49,580
few times but it was mostly known for

1345
00:59:55,690 --> 00:59:53,270
his work throughout the US and he had

1346
00:59:59,440 --> 00:59:55,700
met with Toni Dodd and a couple of other

1347
01:00:02,560 --> 00:59:59,450
gentlemen and during the conference I

1348
01:00:04,330 --> 01:00:02,570
was invited to attend a meeting which

1349
01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:04,340
took place upstairs it was a private

1350
01:00:08,890 --> 01:00:07,040
meeting it wasn't for the public I was

1351
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:08,900
introduced to two of the gentlemen who I

1352
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:10,570
do not know who they were

1353
01:00:16,780 --> 01:00:13,970
and bob was sat there as well as Toni

1354
01:00:20,740 --> 01:00:16,790
Dodd and on the table in front of me

1355
01:00:24,250 --> 01:00:20,750
were five very large reports

1356
01:00:27,730 --> 01:00:24,260
now taking a consideration Toni Dodd was

1357
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:27,740
an active police officer at one point

1358
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:30,890
and certainly had connections with

1359
01:00:35,860 --> 01:00:33,410
people and research and investigations

1360
01:00:37,900 --> 01:00:35,870
that maybe it carried out these reports

1361
01:00:39,780 --> 01:00:37,910
were opened up in a short conversation

1362
01:00:45,010 --> 01:00:39,790
took place in regarding human

1363
01:00:47,050 --> 01:00:45,020
mutilations and I saw five reports on

1364
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:47,060
this table including photographs

1365
01:00:52,390 --> 01:00:49,370
including references to the names of

1366
01:00:54,190 --> 01:00:52,400
these people who were by all accounts

1367
01:00:57,310 --> 01:00:54,200
was according to the photography and the

1368
01:00:59,050 --> 01:00:57,320
information were a exhibits in this act

1369
01:01:03,520 --> 01:00:59,060
and the same things as animal

1370
01:01:06,540 --> 01:01:03,530
mutilations and they had been found and

1371
01:01:11,500 --> 01:01:06,550
they had been somewhat of a cover-up in

1372
01:01:13,870 --> 01:01:11,510
regarding the deaths and how they had

1373
01:01:15,850 --> 01:01:13,880
occurred and some of them were still

1374
01:01:18,370 --> 01:01:15,860
listed as as apparently still missing I

1375
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:18,380
believe two or three of them and hadn't

1376
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:20,690
come to light I don't know how these

1377
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:22,610
reports came to be on that desk I'm

1378
01:01:25,990 --> 01:01:24,170
assuming something to do with the other

1379
01:01:28,810 --> 01:01:26,000
two gentlemen that did not give them in

1380
01:01:30,610 --> 01:01:28,820
there is their their information and a

1381
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:30,620
conversation to a place of about how

1382
01:01:34,330 --> 01:01:32,210
these things have been going on for

1383
01:01:36,820 --> 01:01:34,340
circus it all at the time and that there

1384
01:01:40,510 --> 01:01:36,830
are at least five or six of these

1385
01:01:43,060 --> 01:01:40,520
reports available to only a handful of

1386
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:43,070
people in the UK I believe Richard D

1387
01:01:48,700 --> 01:01:45,530
Hall managed to get those very same

1388
01:01:52,060 --> 01:01:48,710
reports I saw because he has openly

1389
01:01:54,220 --> 01:01:52,070
mentioned that he has had five or six

1390
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:54,230
reports and something to do with Toni

1391
01:01:57,970 --> 01:01:56,240
Dodd so I'm assuming those are the verse

1392
01:02:00,630 --> 01:01:57,980
act in the same week or so I've seen and

1393
01:02:03,970 --> 01:02:00,640
they were pretty yet they were scary and

1394
01:02:05,470 --> 01:02:03,980
very concerning and it wasn't something

1395
01:02:07,570 --> 01:02:05,480
that was brought to the general public

1396
01:02:09,580 --> 01:02:07,580
at that time it was very sensitive and

1397
01:02:14,770 --> 01:02:09,590
probably still is quite a sensitive area

1398
01:02:17,500 --> 01:02:14,780
I you saw I'm getting a little chilly

1399
01:02:21,610 --> 01:02:17,510
right now you know it's a pretty creepy

1400
01:02:23,380 --> 01:02:21,620
subject you you did get a chance to open

1401
01:02:26,110 --> 01:02:23,390
up these reports and look at them and

1402
01:02:27,910 --> 01:02:26,120
you saw photographs of the victims I did

1403
01:02:30,460 --> 01:02:27,920
one of them was a girl who was still

1404
01:02:33,700 --> 01:02:30,470
classed as missing she'd never been

1405
01:02:34,530 --> 01:02:33,710
found and and she was identified as this

1406
01:02:37,650 --> 01:02:34,540
girl and

1407
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:37,660
she was showing that she had been you

1408
01:02:42,300 --> 01:02:39,370
know mutilated like you know like

1409
01:02:44,730 --> 01:02:42,310
animals had been and and the photographs

1410
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:44,740
were pretty yeah they were taken

1411
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:46,810
professional photographs so I've assumed

1412
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:48,730
that the this was an investigation by

1413
01:02:53,490 --> 01:02:51,250
the police and someone along those lines

1414
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:53,500
have not released us information and

1415
01:02:58,050 --> 01:02:56,290
which is shocking it's terrible is it

1416
01:03:00,720 --> 01:02:58,060
injustice debts for the family and

1417
01:03:03,090 --> 01:03:00,730
however I believe that there was

1418
01:03:06,780 --> 01:03:03,100
considerably more than what we were just

1419
01:03:09,060 --> 01:03:06,790
being shown then probably was more and I

1420
01:03:12,510 --> 01:03:09,070
was seriously concerned at the time I

1421
01:03:15,570 --> 01:03:12,520
thought what what and why I'm out even

1422
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:15,580
there why am i why am I actually being

1423
01:03:20,310 --> 01:03:17,050
shown these documents so I haven't been

1424
01:03:21,900 --> 01:03:20,320
invited along and I was only because I

1425
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:21,910
was close with Tony Dunne at the time

1426
01:03:25,380 --> 01:03:23,890
may be that he was just come and have a

1427
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:25,390
look at this you're gonna be shocked it

1428
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:27,490
was kind of one of those things I don't

1429
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:29,200
think he realized how shocked I actually

1430
01:03:33,660 --> 01:03:31,330
was because I had heard rumors about

1431
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:33,670
these things especially since the the

1432
01:03:39,540 --> 01:03:35,770
incident of the gentleman it was found

1433
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:39,550
in I think it was Mexico of a human

1434
01:03:44,670 --> 01:03:41,770
mutilation case and that was the only

1435
01:03:47,370 --> 01:03:44,680
one I was aware of till I saw these and

1436
01:03:50,610 --> 01:03:47,380
that whole new perspective as in regards

1437
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:50,620
this phenomena and how widely could be

1438
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:53,770
taking place yeah well obviously this

1439
01:03:59,280 --> 01:03:56,770
kind of knowledge gets out though we do

1440
01:04:01,020 --> 01:03:59,290
have panic in the streets there's no

1441
01:04:04,860 --> 01:04:01,030
question about that but that that's

1442
01:04:09,650 --> 01:04:04,870
genuine fear the other part of this

1443
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:09,660
though Steve is when we are

1444
01:04:15,540 --> 01:04:12,610
experimenting on animals here on this

1445
01:04:18,020 --> 01:04:15,550
planet and we do that for lots of

1446
01:04:22,650 --> 01:04:18,030
different reasons we do that but also

1447
01:04:25,410 --> 01:04:22,660
the hunting that we do or going in to a

1448
01:04:28,140 --> 01:04:25,420
jungle and looking for new species and

1449
01:04:29,910 --> 01:04:28,150
cap bagging and tagging and bringing

1450
01:04:32,070 --> 01:04:29,920
them out for our own research and

1451
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:32,080
dissecting and the things that we do in

1452
01:04:37,290 --> 01:04:35,650
the lab dissecting frogs in your

1453
01:04:39,180 --> 01:04:37,300
sophomore year in high school and

1454
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:39,190
biology last the one thing we always

1455
01:04:43,650 --> 01:04:41,170
feared that day when you were gonna

1456
01:04:45,590 --> 01:04:43,660
dissect your first frog these are things

1457
01:04:50,660 --> 01:04:45,600
that we do

1458
01:04:53,630 --> 01:04:50,670
there be a way to look at it if ET is

1459
01:04:58,820 --> 01:04:53,640
coming to this planet and we are just

1460
01:05:01,130 --> 01:04:58,830
frogs to ET is is that just outside of

1461
01:05:03,230 --> 01:05:01,140
the realm of possibility and I hate to

1462
01:05:08,030 --> 01:05:03,240
say no it's not

1463
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:08,040
and it I'm not okay with it but we have

1464
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:09,930
to maybe consider that that that

1465
01:05:15,470 --> 01:05:13,050
situation shouldn't we we should I mean

1466
01:05:16,580 --> 01:05:15,480
it's not a new phenomena I mean I talked

1467
01:05:18,290 --> 01:05:16,590
with the gentleman he was a doctor

1468
01:05:20,900 --> 01:05:18,300
actually an Indian gentleman who

1469
01:05:23,030 --> 01:05:20,910
contacted me and he told me about his

1470
01:05:26,930 --> 01:05:23,040
grandfather and when you're living in

1471
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:26,940
India he lived on a farm in a farming

1472
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:29,730
community and occasionally the lights

1473
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:31,290
would come down from the mountains and

1474
01:05:35,540 --> 01:05:33,090
the young children were sent out rushed

1475
01:05:36,740 --> 01:05:35,550
out to get the animals in the stocking

1476
01:05:39,470 --> 01:05:36,750
as quickly as possible

1477
01:05:43,940 --> 01:05:39,480
under shelter because they would often

1478
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:43,950
be found mutilated now that when I talk

1479
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:46,530
about once 1913 that would the incident

1480
01:05:51,860 --> 01:05:49,890
would have been in India farmland and if

1481
01:05:53,180 --> 01:05:51,870
we're talking 1913 year question how

1482
01:05:55,340 --> 01:05:53,190
long these things have been going on for

1483
01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:55,350
I've done a considerable length of

1484
01:05:59,120 --> 01:05:57,090
research in the mutilation phenomena

1485
01:06:01,880 --> 01:05:59,130
with talking with people from all around

1486
01:06:03,350 --> 01:06:01,890
the world it isn't something new it has

1487
01:06:06,430 --> 01:06:03,360
been going on for a long time if that's

1488
01:06:09,740 --> 01:06:06,440
you care its own spate of mutilations in

1489
01:06:14,890 --> 01:06:09,750
1993 was he was the main year but what

1490
01:06:18,050 --> 01:06:14,900
mostly we had was mutilated deer foxes

1491
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:18,060
and even birds you know chickens and

1492
01:06:24,170 --> 01:06:20,970
things like that it was ridiculous the

1493
01:06:26,420 --> 01:06:24,180
we had the amount we had in 1993 do we

1494
01:06:30,710 --> 01:06:26,430
do have the odd cow and you know which

1495
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:30,720
and larger animals that do our have our

1496
01:06:35,060 --> 01:06:32,970
found line in this mountain exactly same

1497
01:06:38,420 --> 01:06:35,070
manner I wrote a document with my

1498
01:06:40,340 --> 01:06:38,430
colleague David on some great research

1499
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:40,350
my colleague him and his wife by

1500
01:06:45,170 --> 01:06:43,290
Fitzgerald who's on a number of projects

1501
01:06:47,300 --> 01:06:45,180
with me and one of them was the

1502
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:47,310
investigation into these animal

1503
01:06:51,950 --> 01:06:48,930
mutilations and we actually sell it this

1504
01:06:53,930 --> 01:06:51,960
document over to Linda Morton how now

1505
01:06:55,970 --> 01:06:53,940
Linda Moulton Howe is you know she's

1506
01:06:57,970 --> 01:06:55,980
specialized in in this research for

1507
01:07:01,780 --> 01:06:57,980
quite some time as we know

1508
01:07:04,630 --> 01:07:01,790
and from what we were seeing from the

1509
01:07:07,090 --> 01:07:04,640
blood being taken and from the soft

1510
01:07:09,099 --> 01:07:07,100
tissue being taken with something

1511
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:09,109
referred to as mucous membrane

1512
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:12,170
collection and this is off to do with

1513
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:13,250
the immune system

1514
01:07:18,820 --> 01:07:16,850
now all these locations where we see the

1515
01:07:23,109 --> 01:07:18,830
organs missing soft tissue missing the

1516
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:23,119
blood is associated to where locations

1517
01:07:27,550 --> 01:07:24,650
you'll find mucous membrane which is

1518
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:27,560
associated to the immune system now when

1519
01:07:32,650 --> 01:07:29,930
we talk to pathologists and they tell us

1520
01:07:35,050 --> 01:07:32,660
that you know animals these animals that

1521
01:07:37,030 --> 01:07:35,060
have been found mutilated were an

1522
01:07:38,830 --> 01:07:37,040
accessor for this why don't not normally

1523
01:07:41,140 --> 01:07:38,840
talk about these things honorable things

1524
01:07:43,090 --> 01:07:41,150
disabled these animals were alive at the

1525
01:07:44,890 --> 01:07:43,100
time these incidents happened and

1526
01:07:47,710 --> 01:07:44,900
they're live because they generate huge

1527
01:07:50,230 --> 01:07:47,720
amounts of fear mm-hmm that amount of

1528
01:07:52,599 --> 01:07:50,240
fear causes certain chemicals to be

1529
01:07:56,530 --> 01:07:52,609
released in the brain which increases

1530
01:07:58,150 --> 01:07:56,540
the immunity system tenfold and what

1531
01:08:00,609 --> 01:07:58,160
happens is is that where the gathering

1532
01:08:03,700 --> 01:08:00,619
of that material is done through the

1533
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:03,710
process of taking blood up to ten

1534
01:08:09,370 --> 01:08:06,530
gallons from cattle in some cases and

1535
01:08:11,890 --> 01:08:09,380
soft tissue and even organs and that's

1536
01:08:13,870 --> 01:08:11,900
the same not only applies to just cattle

1537
01:08:15,940 --> 01:08:13,880
it applies to most animals mostly and

1538
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:15,950
even humans actually as well it's not a

1539
01:08:20,019 --> 01:08:17,810
new phenomena I mean if we even go back

1540
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:20,029
and look at the Dyatlov pass now I know

1541
01:08:25,570 --> 01:08:23,810
that my partner Jackie she has been

1542
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:25,580
researching the Dyatlov pass incident

1543
01:08:31,809 --> 01:08:27,650
there's an incident took place in 1959

1544
01:08:35,999 --> 01:08:31,819
in Russia as well as I know Tracy Garbo

1545
01:08:38,470 --> 01:08:36,009
Dolan Richard's wife is also very much

1546
01:08:41,530 --> 01:08:38,480
involved in research in in that

1547
01:08:44,019 --> 01:08:41,540
particular case as well and that

1548
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:44,029
particular incident involved a number of

1549
01:08:49,300 --> 01:08:46,850
people and clearly they were mutilated

1550
01:08:50,890 --> 01:08:49,310
you know and there was a mass cover-up

1551
01:08:53,769 --> 01:08:50,900
in regarding this incident this was a

1552
01:08:55,420 --> 01:08:53,779
from 1959 so we have to consider that

1553
01:08:58,599 --> 01:08:55,430
the phenomena has been going on quite a

1554
01:09:00,930 --> 01:08:58,609
lot over the years and scroll back

1555
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:00,940
longer than we necessarily thought and

1556
01:09:06,099 --> 01:09:03,770
there is a process of why this is being

1557
01:09:07,990 --> 01:09:06,109
done in fact most of the most recent

1558
01:09:09,550 --> 01:09:08,000
research shows that a lot of these

1559
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:09,560
animals actually dropped from high a

1560
01:09:12,890 --> 01:09:10,530
woman's in cut

1561
01:09:15,290 --> 01:09:12,900
I think it was in Colorado last year was

1562
01:09:18,110 --> 01:09:15,300
found in a tree you know there when they

1563
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:18,120
dropped this cow it had she landed in a

1564
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:20,400
tree and got caught in the tree some of

1565
01:09:23,630 --> 01:09:21,930
them are impacting on the ground and the

1566
01:09:25,340 --> 01:09:23,640
breaking ribs and backbones and things

1567
01:09:27,290 --> 01:09:25,350
and it clearly can tell they sell

1568
01:09:29,180 --> 01:09:27,300
animals been dropped from high and these

1569
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:29,190
things are still going on quite

1570
01:09:32,570 --> 01:09:30,960
regularly but we don't hear them so much

1571
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:32,580
I mean the press up if you dope on them

1572
01:09:36,980 --> 01:09:34,530
as much as we worried maybe that the

1573
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:36,990
suppressing information but these things

1574
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:42,050
do get out and people do talk there's I

1575
01:09:50,690 --> 01:09:46,770
released my list of top 10 UFO cases

1576
01:09:53,750 --> 01:09:50,700
that that intrigued me I did this last

1577
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:53,760
month or the month before but the top of

1578
01:10:00,410 --> 01:09:57,600
my list I think number 2 actually on my

1579
01:10:03,860 --> 01:10:00,420
list is Rendlesham there's a lot of

1580
01:10:07,610 --> 01:10:03,870
reasons why is there but of course when

1581
01:10:10,730 --> 01:10:07,620
you have the witnesses you know still

1582
01:10:13,210 --> 01:10:10,740
alive to such a dramatic event that we

1583
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:13,220
can interview we have the documentation

1584
01:10:18,260 --> 01:10:16,290
that that is applied to it the halt memo

1585
01:10:20,630 --> 01:10:18,270
that you mentioned earlier all of that

1586
01:10:22,460 --> 01:10:20,640
is in play with Rendlesham but there's

1587
01:10:25,100 --> 01:10:22,470
another thing that is in play in

1588
01:10:27,260 --> 01:10:25,110
Rendlesham that we don't understand over

1589
01:10:30,050 --> 01:10:27,270
here in the United States and that is

1590
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:30,060
the drama that is playing out in the

1591
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:32,850
United Kingdom with the different

1592
01:10:41,900 --> 01:10:36,690
players involved and I haven't seen this

1593
01:10:43,910 --> 01:10:41,910
type of anger in any UFO case I mean it

1594
01:10:47,900 --> 01:10:43,920
is pretty dramatic over there in the

1595
01:10:50,690 --> 01:10:47,910
United Kingdom why the drama Steve and I

1596
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:50,700
know that you've you know you're not

1597
01:10:55,340 --> 01:10:52,650
necessarily a part of it but you're

1598
01:10:58,340 --> 01:10:55,350
certainly there to observe what's going

1599
01:10:59,960 --> 01:10:58,350
on man well it's messy I mean to be

1600
01:11:01,850 --> 01:10:59,970
honest you mean everybody knows it in

1601
01:11:03,740 --> 01:11:01,860
the UK about the Rendlesham forest is is

1602
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:03,750
our main incident you know he said he's

1603
01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:05,610
the one it put UK on the map

1604
01:11:10,100 --> 01:11:08,400
sure regarding UFOs and it's very

1605
01:11:12,530 --> 01:11:10,110
personal with only very small island

1606
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:12,540
there's only so NEMA of researchers and

1607
01:11:18,140 --> 01:11:15,570
it becomes a very personal case for me

1608
01:11:22,550 --> 01:11:18,150
you know my first involvement was very

1609
01:11:24,319 --> 01:11:22,560
early on I think it was in 1990 1991

1610
01:11:25,970 --> 01:11:24,329
I visited the local

1611
01:11:27,260 --> 01:11:25,980
I wasn't interested in I had heard

1612
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:27,270
everything that possibly could I was

1613
01:11:31,549 --> 01:11:29,489
good friends with with pizza Robbins and

1614
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:31,559
I heard everything I possibly could but

1615
01:11:35,089 --> 01:11:33,449
I was interested in the trees I was

1616
01:11:36,770 --> 01:11:35,099
interested in the storm damage that in

1617
01:11:38,750 --> 01:11:36,780
in the air and I managed to clear people

1618
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:38,760
out of an area for a long duration of

1619
01:11:43,729 --> 01:11:42,210
time and literally topsoil being taken

1620
01:11:46,850 --> 01:11:43,739
from those locations you know the whole

1621
01:11:49,430 --> 01:11:46,860
area was was locked off from the general

1622
01:11:51,979 --> 01:11:49,440
public because of a very unusual freak

1623
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:51,989
storm which took place in that location

1624
01:11:57,319 --> 01:11:54,690
and came in almost immediately after the

1625
01:11:58,910 --> 01:11:57,329
incident happened now for me I was

1626
01:12:00,560 --> 01:11:58,920
interested in in the research on the

1627
01:12:02,149 --> 01:12:00,570
trees you know I mean the I was looking

1628
01:12:05,540 --> 01:12:02,159
at trees which were up to two meters

1629
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:05,550
wide which was snapped at the trunk now

1630
01:12:10,910 --> 01:12:07,170
you can you can't tell me what type of

1631
01:12:14,959 --> 01:12:10,920
wind does that snaps air a 2 meter tree

1632
01:12:18,140 --> 01:12:14,969
at the trunk completely and this was

1633
01:12:20,899 --> 01:12:18,150
very focused damage other places weren't

1634
01:12:23,629 --> 01:12:20,909
touched at all and it just seemed to be

1635
01:12:25,100 --> 01:12:23,639
specific locations close if not right

1636
01:12:28,129 --> 01:12:25,110
whether the location happen

1637
01:12:29,540 --> 01:12:28,139
the incident happened now or you do your

1638
01:12:31,069 --> 01:12:29,550
research you'll find that Rendlesham

1639
01:12:34,100 --> 01:12:31,079
forest is no stranger to the power

1640
01:12:36,049 --> 01:12:34,110
normal I mean the forest itself is as an

1641
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:36,059
immense amount of power normal instance

1642
01:12:41,419 --> 01:12:38,610
at a place and you for logically if you

1643
01:12:45,169 --> 01:12:41,429
research your fine Rendlesham and Ben

1644
01:12:47,859 --> 01:12:45,179
waters is in that location of of a beep

1645
01:12:50,870 --> 01:12:47,869
switch where there has been plentiful

1646
01:12:54,620 --> 01:12:50,880
UFO experiences and people having

1647
01:12:56,899 --> 01:12:54,630
sightings of UFOs long before 1980 so

1648
01:12:59,089 --> 01:12:56,909
let's put that on the map first that

1649
01:13:01,100 --> 01:12:59,099
this is a location which is renowned for

1650
01:13:03,379 --> 01:13:01,110
the phenomena be a power normal or you

1651
01:13:06,979 --> 01:13:03,389
for logical then what happens is is that

1652
01:13:10,399 --> 01:13:06,989
researchers become so dedicated to the

1653
01:13:13,189 --> 01:13:10,409
to the to the case that when there is a

1654
01:13:15,140 --> 01:13:13,199
problem when that something occurs when

1655
01:13:16,459 --> 01:13:15,150
one person says something there's

1656
01:13:19,129 --> 01:13:16,469
somebody else says something else

1657
01:13:20,930 --> 01:13:19,139
there's a confliction you've got 50% of

1658
01:13:23,060 --> 01:13:20,940
people believe in one person 50%

1659
01:13:25,010 --> 01:13:23,070
believing people will be other and of

1660
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:25,020
course do you have this conflict of

1661
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:28,650
interest and that gave people the

1662
01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:31,770
opportunity to thrive upon a case which

1663
01:13:37,590 --> 01:13:35,040
is for me it's a relatively old case I

1664
01:13:39,660 --> 01:13:37,600
wouldn't spend the time I think the

1665
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:39,670
I I was taught by my mentors the longer

1666
01:13:44,370 --> 01:13:42,130
a case has gone on it harder it is to

1667
01:13:46,260 --> 01:13:44,380
get credible raw information you have to

1668
01:13:48,540 --> 01:13:46,270
get it quick you have to get it fast and

1669
01:13:50,730 --> 01:13:48,550
in what you get early on is probably the

1670
01:13:52,530 --> 01:13:50,740
most credible as time goes on it gets

1671
01:13:54,900 --> 01:13:52,540
filtered and watered and watered and

1672
01:13:57,060 --> 01:13:54,910
watered and little bits of this truths

1673
01:13:58,650 --> 01:13:57,070
come and get involved in those cases now

1674
01:14:00,300 --> 01:13:58,660
investigating something like that and

1675
01:14:02,100 --> 01:14:00,310
researching it was probably net is

1676
01:14:05,220 --> 01:14:02,110
probably worthless because they're

1677
01:14:07,440 --> 01:14:05,230
trying to get to the raw data now after

1678
01:14:10,350 --> 01:14:07,450
such a long period of time as X is next

1679
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:10,360
to impossible but I was you know I was

1680
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:12,250
sat in the middle watching this unfold

1681
01:14:17,070 --> 01:14:14,650
left right and center and I've just

1682
01:14:20,340 --> 01:14:17,080
never got involved I said to all parties

1683
01:14:22,740 --> 01:14:20,350
involved in the UK do not post on our

1684
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:22,750
Mendel shrimp on my social media I don't

1685
01:14:28,500 --> 01:14:25,330
get involved in Rendlesham right because

1686
01:14:30,570 --> 01:14:28,510
you you can't be seen to take sides so I

1687
01:14:32,370 --> 01:14:30,580
just stayed neutral I just said look you

1688
01:14:34,950 --> 01:14:32,380
know I'm interested in the case it's

1689
01:14:37,050 --> 01:14:34,960
fascinating incident but for me it's

1690
01:14:39,530 --> 01:14:37,060
about the evidence and what is new data

1691
01:14:41,940 --> 01:14:39,540
is there now that could possibly be

1692
01:14:44,190 --> 01:14:41,950
rewarding and unfortunately I don't

1693
01:14:45,660 --> 01:14:44,200
think any of it is you know there might

1694
01:14:48,180 --> 01:14:45,670
be some good bits in there but

1695
01:14:50,370 --> 01:14:48,190
unfortunately it's got mixed in with all

1696
01:14:52,740 --> 01:14:50,380
the bad stuff and that's what's happened

1697
01:14:54,270 --> 01:14:52,750
to this Bateses become a very messy case

1698
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:54,280
and maybe that was the way it was

1699
01:14:57,750 --> 01:14:56,290
supposed to be because when we certainly

1700
01:15:00,690 --> 01:14:57,760
when there was a certain amount of

1701
01:15:03,930 --> 01:15:00,700
interest in this case where Nick Nick's

1702
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:03,940
book came out that there's a spotlight

1703
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:06,970
poem Bentwaters and the incident again

1704
01:15:12,510 --> 01:15:09,610
and press we're picking up on it and

1705
01:15:14,220 --> 01:15:12,520
doing new interests being developed and

1706
01:15:16,230 --> 01:15:14,230
all of a sudden this happens and of

1707
01:15:18,300 --> 01:15:16,240
course it causes corruption in the ranks

1708
01:15:21,030 --> 01:15:18,310
you could say and the case which has

1709
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:21,040
been loved by many it's all been won now

1710
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:23,290
which is kind of shunned and said well

1711
01:15:26,250 --> 01:15:24,370
you know I don't even want to get

1712
01:15:28,590 --> 01:15:26,260
involved in that because it's too messy

1713
01:15:30,090 --> 01:15:28,600
now maybe there was a purpose to that I

1714
01:15:32,610 --> 01:15:30,100
really don't know but it's a shame

1715
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:32,620
because I've seen friends divided on

1716
01:15:37,020 --> 01:15:34,810
either side friends that I would say I'm

1717
01:15:38,820 --> 01:15:37,030
friends with both sides bore it's very

1718
01:15:40,500 --> 01:15:38,830
very difficult you get caught up in the

1719
01:15:42,300 --> 01:15:40,510
middle of this thing for me it's about

1720
01:15:43,950 --> 01:15:42,310
the raw data for me it's about the

1721
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:43,960
evidence and if there's nothing new to

1722
01:15:48,250 --> 01:15:45,410
gather

1723
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:48,260
you know 20 30 years on which is

1724
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:50,330
credible and worthy for that case then

1725
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:52,730
you know I have to step aside and agree

1726
01:15:56,740 --> 01:15:55,010
with people you know agree with fellow

1727
01:15:59,050 --> 01:15:56,750
researcher pizza Robbins in the word

1728
01:16:01,570 --> 01:15:59,060
that he's been involved in and he was

1729
01:16:03,790 --> 01:16:01,580
you know he was stuck in the middle as

1730
01:16:05,890 --> 01:16:03,800
many people have been in this case but

1731
01:16:07,450 --> 01:16:05,900
the truth of the matter is is that he's

1732
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:07,460
a phenomena it's been going on there for

1733
01:16:12,810 --> 01:16:09,770
a long long long long time long before

1734
01:16:14,580 --> 01:16:12,820
the actual incident took place in 1980 I

1735
01:16:19,150 --> 01:16:14,590
totally agree

1736
01:16:21,070 --> 01:16:19,160
going back the original evidence the

1737
01:16:24,700 --> 01:16:21,080
original evidence the tapes the audio

1738
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:24,710
recordings the halt memo the original

1739
01:16:32,310 --> 01:16:28,250
witness testimony we can stop right

1740
01:16:34,330 --> 01:16:32,320
there the only part about it that

1741
01:16:37,900 --> 01:16:34,340
because I know that the incident

1742
01:16:40,420 --> 01:16:37,910
happened right and and I've had John

1743
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:40,430
Burroughs I have fed everybody on the

1744
01:16:46,300 --> 01:16:43,130
show at one point I've had everybody

1745
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:46,310
that was there in this program as some

1746
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:48,410
of them multiple times but John

1747
01:16:56,350 --> 01:16:53,210
Burroughs I did two shows with him where

1748
01:16:58,990 --> 01:16:56,360
we absolutely went step by step day by

1749
01:17:01,720 --> 01:16:59,000
day minute by minute you know from

1750
01:17:04,690 --> 01:17:01,730
beginning to end on that and pulling

1751
01:17:06,970 --> 01:17:04,700
those details out of out of John and

1752
01:17:08,170 --> 01:17:06,980
each time you know there's a little bit

1753
01:17:11,380 --> 01:17:08,180
you know a little more memory a little

1754
01:17:13,150 --> 01:17:11,390
more detail but I I have told everybody

1755
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:13,160
that's kind of like the end all and be

1756
01:17:17,890 --> 01:17:15,530
all of the case if you got any questions

1757
01:17:19,780 --> 01:17:17,900
about it go listen to those interviews

1758
01:17:23,290 --> 01:17:19,790
your questions are gonna be answered and

1759
01:17:26,170 --> 01:17:23,300
that's where it stands today because now

1760
01:17:29,020 --> 01:17:26,180
we've got real friendships that are

1761
01:17:31,390 --> 01:17:29,030
severed we've got you know instead of

1762
01:17:33,910 --> 01:17:31,400
everybody being you know together on

1763
01:17:37,090 --> 01:17:33,920
this on this very important case and and

1764
01:17:39,190 --> 01:17:37,100
and representing it and pushing it

1765
01:17:42,820 --> 01:17:39,200
forward we don't have that today

1766
01:17:45,070 --> 01:17:42,830
I mean it's it's gotten bad and it

1767
01:17:46,990 --> 01:17:45,080
didn't need to be this way maybe maybe

1768
01:17:49,180 --> 01:17:47,000
that was the ultimate plan you know by

1769
01:17:51,340 --> 01:17:49,190
both governments you know to have they

1770
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:51,350
did you know the dissension amongst the

1771
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:55,250
troops could be I don't know yeah it

1772
01:17:57,490 --> 01:17:55,850
does happen

1773
01:17:58,720 --> 01:17:57,500
he doesn't happen very often cases but

1774
01:17:59,350 --> 01:17:58,730
it does happen imagine if he was

1775
01:18:01,419 --> 01:17:59,360
happening

1776
01:18:02,770 --> 01:18:01,429
Roswell you know suddenly it was a new

1777
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:02,780
witness that came forward and said well

1778
01:18:05,859 --> 01:18:04,250
it didn't happen like that this is what

1779
01:18:07,660 --> 01:18:05,869
happened and of course you know now

1780
01:18:09,370 --> 01:18:07,670
people are gonna be following that it

1781
01:18:11,379 --> 01:18:09,380
sees something to gain after all there

1782
01:18:13,899 --> 01:18:11,389
was many years I think I think we can

1783
01:18:15,939 --> 01:18:13,909
lose where we're going with this I think

1784
01:18:17,740 --> 01:18:15,949
you can spend far too much time in

1785
01:18:19,959 --> 01:18:17,750
things that don't provide enough

1786
01:18:21,609 --> 01:18:19,969
evidence it's all about evidence for me

1787
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:21,619
I mean I mean II and I love great

1788
01:18:25,959 --> 01:18:23,570
stories and I hear plenty of them but

1789
01:18:28,510 --> 01:18:25,969
for me it's all about is there evidence

1790
01:18:30,430 --> 01:18:28,520
you know is that person there is the

1791
01:18:32,379 --> 01:18:30,440
evidence to back it all you know what

1792
01:18:33,939 --> 01:18:32,389
evidence is there you know and at the

1793
01:18:35,890 --> 01:18:33,949
end of the day I would will be only

1794
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:35,900
looking at the critical parts of that

1795
01:18:40,390 --> 01:18:38,449
case where evidence lies everything else

1796
01:18:42,370 --> 01:18:40,400
I put on the shelf and listen to it take

1797
01:18:43,959 --> 01:18:42,380
it on board but I'd be put on the Shelf

1798
01:18:46,660 --> 01:18:43,969
because I couldn't take it as credible

1799
01:18:48,580 --> 01:18:46,670
unless I accept the fact that there is

1800
01:18:50,709 --> 01:18:48,590
enough evidence to support it yeah I

1801
01:18:52,899 --> 01:18:50,719
agree with you and let's take our break

1802
01:18:55,689 --> 01:18:52,909
right here I've said so many times Steve

1803
01:18:57,879 --> 01:18:55,699
that when it comes to Roswell the best

1804
01:19:00,370 --> 01:18:57,889
piece of evidence that original

1805
01:19:03,100 --> 01:19:00,380
newspaper release that's it right the

1806
01:19:04,540 --> 01:19:03,110
original press release couldn't agree

1807
01:19:06,790 --> 01:19:04,550
with you more this is fade to black our

1808
01:19:08,229 --> 01:19:06,800
guest Steve Maryland more with Steve

1809
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:08,239
live from the u k-- after this short

1810
01:19:23,030 --> 01:19:09,250
break stay with us

1811
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:23,040
[Music]

1812
01:19:29,850 --> 01:19:25,330
welcome back fade to black I'm here to

1813
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:29,860
mature CH live from the UK tonight what

1814
01:19:36,180 --> 01:19:31,449
a great conversation I'm watching

1815
01:19:38,490 --> 01:19:36,190
Twitter and I I think everybody

1816
01:19:40,290 --> 01:19:38,500
recognizes what should be recognized and

1817
01:19:43,919 --> 01:19:40,300
and that is Steve that you are very open

1818
01:19:46,649 --> 01:19:43,929
you're very honest you're not you're not

1819
01:19:48,810 --> 01:19:46,659
hiding behind things and that's never

1820
01:19:51,990 --> 01:19:48,820
been what you you know which you are

1821
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:52,000
about you've always been upfront and if

1822
01:19:55,500 --> 01:19:54,250
something is wrong you're gonna go

1823
01:19:58,140 --> 01:19:55,510
straight there like we did with the

1824
01:20:00,000 --> 01:19:58,150
mylar balloon a couple of years ago you

1825
01:20:03,149 --> 01:20:00,010
didn't you did not play around with that

1826
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:03,159
when others you know just thought that

1827
01:20:07,919 --> 01:20:05,650
we should leave that alone but that's

1828
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:07,929
not who you are you are always going to

1829
01:20:12,300 --> 01:20:10,570
just be what whatever the evidence is

1830
01:20:15,870 --> 01:20:12,310
you're gonna let the chips fall right oh

1831
01:20:18,540 --> 01:20:15,880
absolutely I mean I've seen real

1832
01:20:21,180 --> 01:20:18,550
phenomena out there and he does exist

1833
01:20:23,939 --> 01:20:21,190
absolutely 100% does it I don't mind

1834
01:20:25,950 --> 01:20:23,949
skeptics I do really do not mind because

1835
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:25,960
I was skeptical myself and I believe you

1836
01:20:29,729 --> 01:20:28,090
do have to experience that you do have

1837
01:20:32,820 --> 01:20:29,739
to see these things to accept it and

1838
01:20:34,140 --> 01:20:32,830
nothing less just as I had had to change

1839
01:20:38,070 --> 01:20:34,150
my opinion it was a bit of a wake-up

1840
01:20:40,140 --> 01:20:38,080
call but I did in the 1990s bots I've

1841
01:20:43,470 --> 01:20:40,150
always called it as it is yeah and I

1842
01:20:45,330 --> 01:20:43,480
think because we want to get further

1843
01:20:46,919 --> 01:20:45,340
along in this subject and sometimes

1844
01:20:48,959 --> 01:20:46,929
we've got to push things aside to get

1845
01:20:51,060 --> 01:20:48,969
there you know otherwise I think well

1846
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:51,070
this subject will become static and

1847
01:20:54,419 --> 01:20:52,810
we'll end up going round in circles at

1848
01:20:57,060 --> 01:20:54,429
it in other stones that are mounting

1849
01:20:59,070 --> 01:20:57,070
we've already yeah and now I want to

1850
01:21:01,740 --> 01:20:59,080
talk about the awakening conference and

1851
01:21:06,030 --> 01:21:01,750
and for me what makes this so different

1852
01:21:10,729 --> 01:21:06,040
and let's actually start there the as

1853
01:21:14,250 --> 01:21:10,739
far as Europe goes is are there other

1854
01:21:16,919 --> 01:21:14,260
events throughout Europe that are of

1855
01:21:19,709 --> 01:21:16,929
this size or is this the premier event

1856
01:21:21,830 --> 01:21:19,719
in Europe this is the largest event in

1857
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:21,840
Europe there are some smaller

1858
01:21:27,570 --> 01:21:24,130
conferences that do take place is if a

1859
01:21:30,209 --> 01:21:27,580
few in the UK those small ones and and

1860
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:30,219
overseas and it's about Europe however

1861
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:33,130
this is the the largest of its kind has

1862
01:21:36,130 --> 01:21:34,250
been now for

1863
01:21:38,500 --> 01:21:36,140
this is our fourth year going into a

1864
01:21:41,140 --> 01:21:38,510
fourth year of the events and getting

1865
01:21:44,230 --> 01:21:41,150
bigger and stronger each time at first

1866
01:21:46,090 --> 01:21:44,240
you know we didn't know what the the

1867
01:21:48,250 --> 01:21:46,100
people of the of Manchester were gonna

1868
01:21:50,890 --> 01:21:48,260
feel like to be honest with you

1869
01:21:53,050 --> 01:21:50,900
the very first one we put together it

1870
01:21:56,950 --> 01:21:53,060
was kind of fingers crossed let's see

1871
01:21:59,260 --> 01:21:56,960
how we go and we were absolutely stunned

1872
01:22:03,190 --> 01:21:59,270
when two thousand people walked through

1873
01:22:05,620 --> 01:22:03,200
our door and and were just amazed were

1874
01:22:08,010 --> 01:22:05,630
just amazed to see the reactions

1875
01:22:10,930 --> 01:22:08,020
it was certainly something the UK needed

1876
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:10,940
there was so many people into the

1877
01:22:15,370 --> 01:22:13,730
soldier really wanted answers and they

1878
01:22:17,110 --> 01:22:15,380
had nowhere to go you know a lot of

1879
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:17,120
people weren't travelling overseas due

1880
01:22:21,910 --> 01:22:19,850
to the big events in the US and this

1881
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:21,920
happening in the UK for them was just a

1882
01:22:27,970 --> 01:22:25,370
godsend and we have a hard following of

1883
01:22:31,180 --> 01:22:27,980
the same about about 2,000 people that

1884
01:22:33,370 --> 01:22:31,190
do turn up on our events and make it

1885
01:22:35,890 --> 01:22:33,380
fully enjoyable the one thing what we

1886
01:22:38,380 --> 01:22:35,900
wanted to do and that's a critical thing

1887
01:22:40,660 --> 01:22:38,390
and you can tell when an organizer you

1888
01:22:42,370 --> 01:22:40,670
can tell when people are into the

1889
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:42,380
subject that run these events because

1890
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:44,930
they are considering where we're going

1891
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:47,090
in the future and for us it was all

1892
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:49,010
about when we initially opened our doors

1893
01:22:53,440 --> 01:22:51,290
to lead to this event is about how we're

1894
01:22:56,440 --> 01:22:53,450
going to keep the younger generation

1895
01:22:58,090 --> 01:22:56,450
interested and what we did is is that we

1896
01:23:04,540 --> 01:22:58,100
kind of made it a little bit like a

1897
01:23:08,470 --> 01:23:04,550
comic-con we started introducing things

1898
01:23:10,270 --> 01:23:08,480
to the event such as props Star Wars

1899
01:23:11,590 --> 01:23:10,280
props and characters and different

1900
01:23:14,260 --> 01:23:11,600
things we've had all sorts of different

1901
01:23:16,690 --> 01:23:14,270
things there a full-size UFO was built

1902
01:23:18,010 --> 01:23:16,700
and that was placed in the hangar we

1903
01:23:21,070 --> 01:23:18,020
have this event in a hangar it's like a

1904
01:23:23,440 --> 01:23:21,080
big hangar 18 is huge and though that

1905
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:23,450
it's just kind of everybody just goes in

1906
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:25,730
there and enjoys it and we were seeing

1907
01:23:29,740 --> 01:23:27,890
people coming with the families and they

1908
01:23:33,070 --> 01:23:29,750
were young guys that I was talking to

1909
01:23:34,630 --> 01:23:33,080
him 15 14 15 year-olds and they were

1910
01:23:36,130 --> 01:23:34,640
absolutely and she's in a subject but

1911
01:23:38,260 --> 01:23:36,140
they you know they were coming with

1912
01:23:39,730 --> 01:23:38,270
their families on many occasions that's

1913
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:39,740
what I wanted to see that's what I'd

1914
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:42,050
love to say because I've got to consider

1915
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:45,530
where we all are gonna be in 20 30 40

1916
01:23:49,689 --> 01:23:47,690
years time who's going to be up there

1917
01:23:51,340 --> 01:23:49,699
me on the podium talking about this

1918
01:23:53,709 --> 01:23:51,350
phenomena where we're going in the

1919
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:53,719
future so for me it was really important

1920
01:23:59,260 --> 01:23:55,570
that we we kind of made this a family

1921
01:24:01,720 --> 01:23:59,270
enjoyable then and Andy went really well

1922
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:01,730
it's very surprised well and and what I

1923
01:24:12,910 --> 01:24:07,930
think is great here is out of the the 15

1924
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:12,920
main speakers nine are coming over from

1925
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:15,730
North America for this event and then

1926
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:18,050
Manette's got to be special for the

1927
01:24:23,709 --> 01:24:21,290
United Kingdom because a lot of us don't

1928
01:24:28,270 --> 01:24:23,719
get a chance or an opportunity to make

1929
01:24:29,620 --> 01:24:28,280
it over and and hang out do we know we

1930
01:24:32,979 --> 01:24:29,630
don't I mean it just unfortunately

1931
01:24:34,750 --> 01:24:32,989
doesn't happen very often however we

1932
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:34,760
wanted to give people those options to

1933
01:24:41,050 --> 01:24:38,090
be able to see meet Greenlee speakers

1934
01:24:43,090 --> 01:24:41,060
once one as well because it's okay

1935
01:24:45,580 --> 01:24:43,100
listening to people on the internet but

1936
01:24:47,950 --> 01:24:45,590
it's not the same and people really do

1937
01:24:49,540 --> 01:24:47,960
want to get first-hand knowledge and

1938
01:24:51,010 --> 01:24:49,550
meeting these these speakers for the

1939
01:24:55,650 --> 01:24:51,020
very first time was incredible

1940
01:24:58,000 --> 01:24:55,660
I remember Linda morn how on her first

1941
01:25:00,189 --> 01:24:58,010
appearance at awakenings and a member

1942
01:25:03,610 --> 01:25:00,199
linda.pulley me aside and saying that

1943
01:25:05,950 --> 01:25:03,620
she was overwhelmed with the amount of

1944
01:25:09,130 --> 01:25:05,960
people that were there for her Lacher

1945
01:25:10,870 --> 01:25:09,140
the hall was full we had standing at the

1946
01:25:13,300 --> 01:25:10,880
back I mean he was they must have been

1947
01:25:15,910 --> 01:25:13,310
about 1,500 to 2,000 people in there and

1948
01:25:18,490 --> 01:25:15,920
she said that she she probably had never

1949
01:25:21,459 --> 01:25:18,500
lectured to so many people at one given

1950
01:25:23,140 --> 01:25:21,469
time and to her that was very special

1951
01:25:26,170 --> 01:25:23,150
and it has been for many of our speakers

1952
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:26,180
that come along because Manchester's are

1953
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:28,610
very friendly they all love this subject

1954
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:30,170
and they just all really wanna have a

1955
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:31,370
good time and walk away with some

1956
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:33,050
knowledge at the end of the day it's

1957
01:25:38,530 --> 01:25:34,370
been very successful and we're very

1958
01:25:41,950 --> 01:25:38,540
pleased yeah Linda right after that she

1959
01:25:45,490 --> 01:25:41,960
comes up to me and I'm not kidding about

1960
01:25:47,530 --> 01:25:45,500
this if she hears me recount the story

1961
01:25:49,810 --> 01:25:47,540
she's just gonna laugh because she may I

1962
01:25:51,100 --> 01:25:49,820
gotta show you this picture and I said

1963
01:25:53,470 --> 01:25:51,110
okay what's up and she takes out her

1964
01:25:58,000 --> 01:25:53,480
phone she goes this is what I just did

1965
01:26:01,930 --> 01:25:58,010
over in the UK right she goes look at

1966
01:26:04,750 --> 01:26:01,940
this crowd she goes we had barriers in

1967
01:26:07,810 --> 01:26:04,760
I've ever seen oh and and I'm looking at

1968
01:26:11,109 --> 01:26:07,820
the picture and and she said it was the

1969
01:26:14,370 --> 01:26:11,119
funnest experience of my life and she

1970
01:26:17,770 --> 01:26:14,380
was so happy about that me I was jealous

1971
01:26:19,180 --> 01:26:17,780
I want to hang out with you Linda

1972
01:26:21,310 --> 01:26:19,190
because that looks like a tremendous

1973
01:26:23,620 --> 01:26:21,320
event and now

1974
01:26:25,569 --> 01:26:23,630
Reid and I get to go over and actually

1975
01:26:28,149 --> 01:26:25,579
participate and host this thing it's

1976
01:26:29,739 --> 01:26:28,159
gonna be amazing and you do something

1977
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:29,749
that's a little bit different and are oh

1978
01:26:35,290 --> 01:26:33,050
oh oh before we talk about how the venue

1979
01:26:37,839 --> 01:26:35,300
is split because you have two main

1980
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:37,849
stages two main rooms there oh I want to

1981
01:26:43,989 --> 01:26:41,090
get into that for a second but you have

1982
01:26:46,569 --> 01:26:43,999
a Star Wars cafe right it's like oh it's

1983
01:26:49,209 --> 01:26:46,579
like the bar from Star Wars am i

1984
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:49,219
understanding this right it is exactly

1985
01:26:51,609 --> 01:26:50,210
the same you wouldn't know the

1986
01:26:54,910 --> 01:26:51,619
difference to be honest with you and

1987
01:26:58,000 --> 01:26:54,920
that is available to use and we're we we

1988
01:26:59,770 --> 01:26:58,010
do have props and things we make it as

1989
01:27:03,520 --> 01:26:59,780
full and into that if impossible as we

1990
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:03,530
can I can't wait I can't wait I can't

1991
01:27:07,419 --> 01:27:05,570
right now as seriously I can't wait okay

1992
01:27:09,370 --> 01:27:07,429
so you know god I have a great idea

1993
01:27:12,189 --> 01:27:09,380
Jimmy I have a great idea when you get

1994
01:27:13,899 --> 01:27:12,199
up there on stage is do it do a selfie

1995
01:27:16,330 --> 01:27:13,909
with the crowd behind you just to share

1996
01:27:17,739 --> 01:27:16,340
how many people are actually there you

1997
01:27:18,399 --> 01:27:17,749
know because you don't get to see that

1998
01:27:19,779 --> 01:27:18,409
very often

1999
01:27:21,279 --> 01:27:19,789
you know people take photographs of the

2000
01:27:22,629 --> 01:27:21,289
speakers but they don't really know how

2001
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:22,639
many actually they're listening to these

2002
01:27:26,020 --> 01:27:24,530
these lectures you know and it's

2003
01:27:30,100 --> 01:27:26,030
incredible well you know it's a great

2004
01:27:31,509 --> 01:27:30,110
idea you know get a selfie from the

2005
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:31,519
stage with them all behind you you'll

2006
01:27:33,879 --> 01:27:33,170
see how many people they see such

2007
01:27:38,290 --> 01:27:33,889
stunning

2008
01:27:42,299 --> 01:27:38,300
hello Manchester I can't wait so you've

2009
01:27:46,870 --> 01:27:42,309
got to you've got this ginormous

2010
01:27:50,489 --> 01:27:46,880
airplane hangar and the entire event is

2011
01:27:56,109 --> 01:27:50,499
held inside but you've got it sliced up

2012
01:27:58,270 --> 01:27:56,119
tell me how that works well I mean you

2013
01:27:59,919 --> 01:27:58,280
know maybe paint it on the side area 51

2014
01:28:03,399 --> 01:27:59,929
or hangar 18 or something just for the

2015
01:28:05,529 --> 01:28:03,409
laughs but Sir he's a huge hangar and we

2016
01:28:06,970 --> 01:28:05,539
have the option of Rio setting it up the

2017
01:28:09,609 --> 01:28:06,980
way we want to set it up to be honest

2018
01:28:13,180 --> 01:28:09,619
with you and we have the options of two

2019
01:28:14,470 --> 01:28:13,190
different stages at the event hangar one

2020
01:28:17,380 --> 01:28:14,480
hangar two we call it

2021
01:28:20,350 --> 01:28:17,390
and there's also an something referred

2022
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:20,360
to as a gaia lounge as well now we are

2023
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:22,130
going to have all these things going on

2024
01:28:27,820 --> 01:28:25,970
so people have an option to go to

2025
01:28:31,180 --> 01:28:27,830
different places and listen to different

2026
01:28:33,670 --> 01:28:31,190
people talk about what their experiences

2027
01:28:35,410 --> 01:28:33,680
or their research and it's also very

2028
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:35,420
interactive as well the gaia lounge is

2029
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:36,650
very interactive it's going to be going

2030
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:39,170
on throughout the whole of them and and

2031
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:41,090
we'll be joined with gays of very own

2032
01:28:44,710 --> 01:28:43,370
Sid Goldberg who's going to be doing gay

2033
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:44,720
some of our number of very interesting

2034
01:28:50,110 --> 01:28:48,290
interviews at that location and we run

2035
01:28:53,140 --> 01:28:50,120
hand hangar to hangar wallach split with

2036
01:28:54,910 --> 01:28:53,150
three different lecturers and the people

2037
01:28:59,050 --> 01:28:54,920
will have a choice as to who they

2038
01:29:01,420 --> 01:28:59,060
actually want to go and say and we have

2039
01:29:04,990 --> 01:29:01,430
I love at the hangar one stage

2040
01:29:08,430 --> 01:29:05,000
especially for Richard and I to be doing

2041
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:08,440
that but we are going to be bringing

2042
01:29:13,890 --> 01:29:11,930
fade to black over to the United Kingdom

2043
01:29:17,740 --> 01:29:13,900
and I'm very excited about this and we

2044
01:29:20,979 --> 01:29:17,750
are going to be doing what we are

2045
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:20,989
calling fader X where we are going to

2046
01:29:29,229 --> 01:29:24,890
have a number of researchers get up and

2047
01:29:33,100 --> 01:29:29,239
speak for 10 minutes each on only one

2048
01:29:36,850 --> 01:29:33,110
question and I think that the audience

2049
01:29:40,540 --> 01:29:36,860
is is going to really remember this type

2050
01:29:42,430 --> 01:29:40,550
of concept as opposed to you know we

2051
01:29:45,550 --> 01:29:42,440
love going to lectures and we love going

2052
01:29:47,740 --> 01:29:45,560
to presentations but you want to put a

2053
01:29:50,140 --> 01:29:47,750
fresh spin on this and certainly we do

2054
01:29:52,180 --> 01:29:50,150
too I think this is pretty exciting what

2055
01:29:53,770 --> 01:29:52,190
do you think about fader ethics I think

2056
01:29:55,180 --> 01:29:53,780
it's a great idea I don't know it's

2057
01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:55,190
never been done before as far as I'm

2058
01:30:00,430 --> 01:29:56,810
concerned not certainly not here in the

2059
01:30:02,170 --> 01:30:00,440
UK we we have had panels and and we have

2060
01:30:04,270 --> 01:30:02,180
had just general lectures but nothing

2061
01:30:06,100 --> 01:30:04,280
like this and I think it's really good

2062
01:30:08,110 --> 01:30:06,110
that you can actually get to the core I

2063
01:30:09,910 --> 01:30:08,120
mean if you used to specialize question

2064
01:30:11,770 --> 01:30:09,920
it's put to a lecture they've got ten

2065
01:30:14,020 --> 01:30:11,780
minutes to you know to support both

2066
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:14,030
their views forward on that particular

2067
01:30:18,130 --> 01:30:15,650
question that's good because that

2068
01:30:20,670 --> 01:30:18,140
doesn't really happen in these panels I

2069
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:20,680
see they're quite varied questions and

2070
01:30:25,780 --> 01:30:23,810
and everybody has the same way of

2071
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:25,790
answering a question sometimes you know

2072
01:30:29,620 --> 01:30:28,130
I've heard lecturers on

2073
01:30:31,540 --> 01:30:29,630
these panels and they've had the same

2074
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:31,550
thing to say really because the question

2075
01:30:35,110 --> 01:30:33,410
is getting away where there is only one

2076
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:35,120
answer you know I think it'd be really

2077
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:37,850
good to actually find what these people

2078
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:38,930
thought it says I'm gonna be really

2079
01:30:42,460 --> 01:30:40,370
interested well these people are gonna

2080
01:30:44,170 --> 01:30:42,470
say for 10 minutes on giving questions I

2081
01:30:44,980 --> 01:30:44,180
think it's unique I think is gonna be

2082
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:44,990
fascinating

2083
01:30:50,190 --> 01:30:46,850
yeah because 10 minutes sounds like a

2084
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:50,200
long time it is not and you have to

2085
01:30:58,120 --> 01:30:53,650
absolutely condense your best thoughts

2086
01:31:00,250 --> 01:30:58,130
into just 10 minutes and that's when you

2087
01:31:03,370 --> 01:31:00,260
know you are going to get the brilliant

2088
01:31:05,620 --> 01:31:03,380
side of each one of these researchers

2089
01:31:08,790 --> 01:31:05,630
and authors and personalities because

2090
01:31:12,490 --> 01:31:08,800
all of them talk too much right all

2091
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:12,500
right they're too used to that and and

2092
01:31:20,050 --> 01:31:17,330
so to to force them right to get their

2093
01:31:21,940 --> 01:31:20,060
mind into just 10 minutes I think that's

2094
01:31:24,010 --> 01:31:21,950
going to be exciting I can't imagine

2095
01:31:25,510 --> 01:31:24,020
what the audience's you know how they're

2096
01:31:28,090 --> 01:31:25,520
gonna react to that it's gonna be a lot

2097
01:31:29,980 --> 01:31:28,100
of information coming at them there is

2098
01:31:31,630 --> 01:31:29,990
is gonna be information overload but

2099
01:31:33,460 --> 01:31:31,640
it's gonna be the best of the best of

2100
01:31:35,530 --> 01:31:33,470
that information because if you've got

2101
01:31:37,420 --> 01:31:35,540
70s they give out you're gonna give out

2102
01:31:41,380 --> 01:31:37,430
the best stuff well that's really really

2103
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:41,390
condensed now I can imagine that an

2104
01:31:48,790 --> 01:31:45,770
event like this not only because of its

2105
01:31:51,610 --> 01:31:48,800
uniqueness but of its size and its

2106
01:31:55,180 --> 01:31:51,620
impact on the community that the local

2107
01:31:57,340 --> 01:31:55,190
media must be involved I would think is

2108
01:31:57,910 --> 01:31:57,350
the BBC coming out do they cover it on

2109
01:32:00,400 --> 01:31:57,920
the news

2110
01:32:01,870 --> 01:32:00,410
well we did help the BBC come out last

2111
01:32:04,450 --> 01:32:01,880
year they did actually a full television

2112
01:32:07,270 --> 01:32:04,460
program our weightings which was which

2113
01:32:09,210 --> 01:32:07,280
is great for us and there are numerous

2114
01:32:12,190 --> 01:32:09,220
different media turn up on the day

2115
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:12,200
including podcast and radio teams and so

2116
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:14,810
on and so forth and we are also going to

2117
01:32:18,670 --> 01:32:16,250
have a number of people coming from

2118
01:32:20,140 --> 01:32:18,680
media invest entertainment and we're

2119
01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:20,150
also going to be blessed with some of

2120
01:32:24,580 --> 01:32:23,330
the MPs and council people from

2121
01:32:26,470 --> 01:32:24,590
Blackpool and regard in a very

2122
01:32:28,050 --> 01:32:26,480
specialized you project which is coming

2123
01:32:31,180 --> 01:32:28,060
forward which will be announcing

2124
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:31,190
awakenings and it's a few also hidden

2125
01:32:37,180 --> 01:32:34,970
surprises as well which I get to wet yet

2126
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:37,190
so come out bit nearer the time probably

2127
01:32:40,420 --> 01:32:40,130
now what about fade to black is coming

2128
01:32:43,390 --> 01:32:40,430
to town

2129
01:32:46,870 --> 01:32:43,400
and Rita and I like to party do we have

2130
01:32:48,610 --> 01:32:46,880
any events like that scheduled I'm sure

2131
01:32:51,490 --> 01:32:48,620
we can sort something out Jimmy yeah I

2132
01:32:53,170 --> 01:32:51,500
mean we've taken people usually come

2133
01:32:54,550 --> 01:32:53,180
with a little wish list you know where

2134
01:32:56,410 --> 01:32:54,560
did they say we're coming so Magister

2135
01:32:59,020 --> 01:32:56,420
I'd like to do this this this and this

2136
01:33:02,830 --> 01:32:59,030
you know especially for those which are

2137
01:33:04,450 --> 01:33:02,840
football fans because soccer in the UK

2138
01:33:06,430 --> 01:33:04,460
is a big thing and he's followed

2139
01:33:08,170 --> 01:33:06,440
worldwide especially regarding to

2140
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:08,180
maintains much you know it majesty and

2141
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:09,650
their new Miss different lecturers out

2142
01:33:14,020 --> 01:33:11,930
there which are thumbs and they'd love

2143
01:33:17,500 --> 01:33:14,030
to visit the location because we are

2144
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:17,510
literally five minutes from from all

2145
01:33:22,210 --> 01:33:20,330
trafficmonsoon at a ground and we are 15

2146
01:33:24,070 --> 01:33:22,220
minutes away from much the city's

2147
01:33:25,510 --> 01:33:24,080
football ground as well so you know do

2148
01:33:28,570 --> 01:33:25,520
we tend to get all these little wish

2149
01:33:31,900 --> 01:33:28,580
lists that come yeah right on and this

2150
01:33:34,540 --> 01:33:31,910
the Star Wars the bar the cafe this is

2151
01:33:37,150 --> 01:33:34,550
on site is this a place where we can eat

2152
01:33:38,110 --> 01:33:37,160
and drink and and and use it as a lounge

2153
01:33:41,410 --> 01:33:38,120
is that what it is

2154
01:33:44,260 --> 01:33:41,420
well there will be a dedicated area for

2155
01:33:46,390 --> 01:33:44,270
lecturers to relax because it's full-on

2156
01:33:47,950 --> 01:33:46,400
you know sometimes we you know we

2157
01:33:49,630 --> 01:33:47,960
understand that lecturers of you know

2158
01:33:51,490 --> 01:33:49,640
they're there and there's so many people

2159
01:33:53,260 --> 01:33:51,500
are wanna women wanting to ask questions

2160
01:33:55,270 --> 01:33:53,270
we do need a Larry obviously for

2161
01:33:57,130 --> 01:33:55,280
lectures to just you know take a Pew

2162
01:33:58,690 --> 01:33:57,140
five minutes to themselves just to rest

2163
01:34:01,240 --> 01:33:58,700
up you do need to do that sometimes

2164
01:34:02,680 --> 01:34:01,250
because it can't be happy going BOTS at

2165
01:34:04,660 --> 01:34:02,690
the same time we do have the Star Wars

2166
01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:04,670
lounge which is basically open all the

2167
01:34:07,930 --> 01:34:06,170
time for people to go and get something

2168
01:34:11,620 --> 01:34:07,940
to drink we do have a cafes there as

2169
01:34:14,170 --> 01:34:11,630
well and there is places to eat and so

2170
01:34:16,510 --> 01:34:14,180
but this did the actual the Cantina is

2171
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:16,520
pretty amazing people love to take

2172
01:34:21,250 --> 01:34:18,410
photographs in there because we have a

2173
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:21,260
Star Wars characters which which are in

2174
01:34:27,250 --> 01:34:25,130
there as well and what about tickets and

2175
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:27,260
information how much how much does this

2176
01:34:31,030 --> 01:34:27,970
cost

2177
01:34:33,670 --> 01:34:31,040
well they vary the prices vary on the

2178
01:34:35,340 --> 01:34:33,680
ticketing about depending on you know if

2179
01:34:38,350 --> 01:34:35,350
they just wants to come for the one day

2180
01:34:41,140 --> 01:34:38,360
which is the Friday or they want to come

2181
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:41,150
for the Saturday event as well the

2182
01:34:44,770 --> 01:34:42,770
Friday evening is more of a specialized

2183
01:34:46,570 --> 01:34:44,780
event or they can actually bought the

2184
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:46,580
whole thing you know I have the Friday

2185
01:34:50,470 --> 01:34:48,770
and the Saturday together so tickets

2186
01:34:53,580 --> 01:34:50,480
vary depending on what people really

2187
01:34:57,300 --> 01:34:53,590
want to come and do

2188
01:34:58,950 --> 01:34:57,310
it's on for Friday evening Friday tea

2189
01:35:00,720 --> 01:34:58,960
time right through to evening and this

2190
01:35:02,879 --> 01:35:00,730
is a conference that kind of goes lay on

2191
01:35:04,290 --> 01:35:02,889
into the night I mean you know we're not

2192
01:35:06,479 --> 01:35:04,300
finishing the total about 11 o'clock

2193
01:35:08,280 --> 01:35:06,489
11:00 p.m. you know I'm a lot of these

2194
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:08,290
conferences and things tend to do to

2195
01:35:13,169 --> 01:35:10,330
wrap up about seven or eight o'clock but

2196
01:35:15,089 --> 01:35:13,179
we go through to eleven o'clock and of

2197
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:15,099
course those our locations are available

2198
01:35:19,140 --> 01:35:17,650
to all soldier mele all the public your

2199
01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:19,150
nob tell you know the details as to the

2200
01:35:23,250 --> 01:35:21,250
different types of tickets in pricing

2201
01:35:27,209 --> 01:35:23,260
and the days available throughout the

2202
01:35:30,780 --> 01:35:27,219
website and I wanted I did want to

2203
01:35:34,890 --> 01:35:30,790
mention this because when you look at

2204
01:35:36,629 --> 01:35:34,900
the diversity of the speakers where you

2205
01:35:39,060 --> 01:35:36,639
know you've got Erich von däniken this

2206
01:35:41,729 --> 01:35:39,070
year in Billy Carson and grant Cameron

2207
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:41,739
and Paul Sinclair and of course Richard

2208
01:35:49,229 --> 01:35:44,650
bleep and Dolan and you know Nick Pope

2209
01:35:51,300 --> 01:35:49,239
and Richard's wife Tracy Derrel Sims and

2210
01:35:56,760 --> 01:35:51,310
I think that we should no longer say

2211
01:35:59,790 --> 01:35:56,770
Richard's wife Tracy she is truly risen

2212
01:36:03,570 --> 01:35:59,800
as such a dynamic personality in this

2213
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:03,580
community Tracy Garbett but Chris Turner

2214
01:36:09,990 --> 01:36:06,610
Laura Eisenhower you know Paola Harris

2215
01:36:14,370 --> 01:36:10,000
and berry of course is going to be there

2216
01:36:18,260 --> 01:36:14,380
and and said goldberg very very wide

2217
01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:18,270
range of ideas and theories and

2218
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:20,650
experiences with this kind of lineup

2219
01:36:23,939 --> 01:36:22,810
right there because they've all got

2220
01:36:25,200 --> 01:36:23,949
something critical I mean if you

2221
01:36:27,870 --> 01:36:25,210
actually look at their weightings this

2222
01:36:30,330 --> 01:36:27,880
this theory we have like kind of a a

2223
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:30,340
logo and under there it says a new

2224
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:33,130
beginning and the reason is is that we

2225
01:36:38,430 --> 01:36:36,010
want to push forward with research in

2226
01:36:40,740 --> 01:36:38,440
this subject now we often talk about

2227
01:36:42,990 --> 01:36:40,750
ufology in Paranal and different things

2228
01:36:46,350 --> 01:36:43,000
like that but we tend to be working

2229
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:46,360
around in the same circle aving year out

2230
01:36:50,850 --> 01:36:48,610
not many people are coming to the table

2231
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:50,860
and say well you know this is extra this

2232
01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:52,810
is what we've learned this is a way

2233
01:36:56,310 --> 01:36:54,250
forward it's opening new areas of

2234
01:36:58,530 --> 01:36:56,320
research we're moving forward

2235
01:37:00,600 --> 01:36:58,540
rather than staying static and this is

2236
01:37:02,310 --> 01:37:00,610
about what what that feel is about in

2237
01:37:04,740 --> 01:37:02,320
this conference it's about new

2238
01:37:06,839 --> 01:37:04,750
information it's about moving forward

2239
01:37:07,350 --> 01:37:06,849
with these subjects and developing new

2240
01:37:09,959 --> 01:37:07,360
areas of

2241
01:37:11,910 --> 01:37:09,969
research because we all want answers I'm

2242
01:37:13,649 --> 01:37:11,920
hoping that we get more within my

2243
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:13,659
lifetime because you know people have

2244
01:37:17,790 --> 01:37:15,730
been sat on this secret for a long long

2245
01:37:20,520 --> 01:37:17,800
time well over 70 years for the US

2246
01:37:22,830 --> 01:37:20,530
government and I think there are plenty

2247
01:37:24,390 --> 01:37:22,840
of things that we can be doing it's just

2248
01:37:25,740 --> 01:37:24,400
that we need to push that forward and

2249
01:37:28,379 --> 01:37:25,750
this is this kind of broken into this

2250
01:37:29,820 --> 01:37:28,389
title a new beginning because each and

2251
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:29,830
every person it's going to be coming

2252
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:31,690
along it's delivering new bits of

2253
01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:33,610
information that's going to be pushing

2254
01:37:39,540 --> 01:37:36,250
forward into new areas of research and

2255
01:37:41,490 --> 01:37:39,550
where we may need to go the the other

2256
01:37:43,020 --> 01:37:41,500
part of the end and Steve I don't know

2257
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:43,030
what your schedule is for the rest of

2258
01:37:48,450 --> 01:37:45,570
the day over in the United Kingdom but

2259
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:48,460
can I can I get you to hang on after

2260
01:37:54,240 --> 01:37:50,850
this break and let's do a little time

2261
01:37:58,410 --> 01:37:54,250
because I'd like to say we are running

2262
01:38:02,010 --> 01:37:58,420
out of time how many how many people do

2263
01:38:04,939 --> 01:38:02,020
you expect at this conference and can

2264
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:04,949
this Center where you are at right now

2265
01:38:10,470 --> 01:38:07,570
handle these kind of numbers I'm sure

2266
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:10,480
the answer is yes but if it's gonna grow

2267
01:38:15,419 --> 01:38:12,610
are you gonna stay at this location or

2268
01:38:18,149 --> 01:38:15,429
is there another bigger place in

2269
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:18,159
Manchester to move into well the best

2270
01:38:22,649 --> 01:38:20,050
footie you mentioned up because we are

2271
01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:22,659
going to be announcing the birth of a

2272
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:25,330
new convention we're waiting is going to

2273
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:29,290
be kind of being modified and a new

2274
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:32,170
location is currently being built as we

2275
01:38:36,930 --> 01:38:35,770
speak and will be available for us a new

2276
01:38:39,750 --> 01:38:36,940
Convention Center

2277
01:38:41,220 --> 01:38:39,760
and it's going to be held there and we

2278
01:38:42,899 --> 01:38:41,230
are going to have to be moved I mean I

2279
01:38:44,129 --> 01:38:42,909
think the numbers are growing each and

2280
01:38:47,340 --> 01:38:44,139
every year the numbers are growing we

2281
01:38:50,570 --> 01:38:47,350
are expecting between 2000 and 2500

2282
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:50,580
people to attend this event and

2283
01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:53,290
potentially there could be two to two

2284
01:38:56,669 --> 01:38:54,730
and a half thousand people in one

2285
01:39:00,359 --> 01:38:56,679
lecture they have the choice to do so

2286
01:39:03,030 --> 01:39:00,369
and when that happens the atmosphere the

2287
01:39:04,979 --> 01:39:03,040
energy is is is just crazy I've never

2288
01:39:06,419 --> 01:39:04,989
experienced that and I've been to the

2289
01:39:08,459 --> 01:39:06,429
biggest conferences around the world as

2290
01:39:10,500 --> 01:39:08,469
you know Jimmy along with yourself but

2291
01:39:13,439 --> 01:39:10,510
you don't tend to get that many people

2292
01:39:15,419 --> 01:39:13,449
gathering at one particular lecture

2293
01:39:16,890 --> 01:39:15,429
there usually is dispersed into

2294
01:39:20,490 --> 01:39:16,900
different numbers of different lectures

2295
01:39:22,140 --> 01:39:20,500
and that does happen at our event and

2296
01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:22,150
is something that lectures don't often

2297
01:39:30,480 --> 01:39:25,090
experience and when they do there is a

2298
01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:30,490
certainly notable the the community has

2299
01:39:36,450 --> 01:39:34,210
grown and the reason why I think that

2300
01:39:39,870 --> 01:39:36,460
you are very cognizant of that in the

2301
01:39:42,780 --> 01:39:39,880
numbers is because what you and Vitaly

2302
01:39:46,860 --> 01:39:42,790
are in the middle of you guys are

2303
01:39:49,500 --> 01:39:46,870
running media you guys have your YouTube

2304
01:39:53,310 --> 01:39:49,510
presence you you have this conference

2305
01:39:55,020 --> 01:39:53,320
you have film and television production

2306
01:39:58,800 --> 01:39:55,030
and things that you are working on and

2307
01:40:01,440 --> 01:39:58,810
it seems like for the first time the

2308
01:40:04,440 --> 01:40:01,450
this is a growth industry right it's not

2309
01:40:06,930 --> 01:40:04,450
going backwards it's is that there is a

2310
01:40:09,300 --> 01:40:06,940
huge interest in the subject these days

2311
01:40:11,850 --> 01:40:09,310
right there is I mean we're constantly

2312
01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:11,860
battling platforms you know across the

2313
01:40:15,060 --> 01:40:13,570
internet because there is a squeeze on

2314
01:40:19,020 --> 01:40:15,070
this subject there has been for a long

2315
01:40:21,660 --> 01:40:19,030
time and and those two things do become

2316
01:40:24,480 --> 01:40:21,670
more difficult as time goes on there

2317
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:24,490
we're finding new areas new ways to push

2318
01:40:28,890 --> 01:40:26,890
this information out and people are

2319
01:40:30,840 --> 01:40:28,900
gravitating to certain locations now

2320
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:30,850
where they can find out critical

2321
01:40:35,100 --> 01:40:33,370
information and it's about where to go

2322
01:40:37,350 --> 01:40:35,110
to find that information because it's

2323
01:40:39,180 --> 01:40:37,360
it's dispersed massively over the

2324
01:40:42,780 --> 01:40:39,190
internet it takes forever to search for

2325
01:40:44,970 --> 01:40:42,790
certain things if it's great to to have

2326
01:40:46,830 --> 01:40:44,980
everything on one place then so it'd be

2327
01:40:48,570 --> 01:40:46,840
and people can go to one particular

2328
01:40:50,370 --> 01:40:48,580
location to find out a lot of different

2329
01:40:51,830 --> 01:40:50,380
things about different researchers what

2330
01:40:54,150 --> 01:40:51,840
their work is what they're doing

2331
01:40:57,510 --> 01:40:54,160
sometimes it's video sometimes it's

2332
01:40:59,550 --> 01:40:57,520
conferences and events but like you say

2333
01:41:02,190 --> 01:40:59,560
we are involved in a kind of a 360

2334
01:41:05,970 --> 01:41:02,200
franchise which is also going to be

2335
01:41:10,620 --> 01:41:05,980
involving a TV series a very big TV

2336
01:41:13,910 --> 01:41:10,630
series a very big film big blockbuster

2337
01:41:16,140 --> 01:41:13,920
movie and also a number of other

2338
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:16,150
surprises are gonna be I can't let them

2339
01:41:19,290 --> 01:41:17,530
out the back but this there's quite a

2340
01:41:21,120 --> 01:41:19,300
number of big things on the way and

2341
01:41:24,180 --> 01:41:21,130
there's gonna be big changes in this

2342
01:41:25,950 --> 01:41:24,190
subject and moving forward and UK is

2343
01:41:29,400 --> 01:41:25,960
going to be certainly one of those on

2344
01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:29,410
the map well without you know I'm not a

2345
01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:31,290
here too

2346
01:41:36,110 --> 01:41:33,690
to be a part of your disclosure I won't

2347
01:41:41,720 --> 01:41:36,120
do that to you Steve but at least I will

2348
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:41,730
say this I was Steve and Vitaly shared a

2349
01:41:47,830 --> 01:41:44,810
couple of things with Rita and I at a

2350
01:41:51,590 --> 01:41:47,840
meeting that we had this past weekend

2351
01:41:54,470 --> 01:41:51,600
here in Los Angeles and I literally had

2352
01:41:57,830 --> 01:41:54,480
to stop the conversation and say what

2353
01:42:02,660 --> 01:41:57,840
did you just say am i understanding you

2354
01:42:06,740 --> 01:42:02,670
correctly and I am just blown away you

2355
01:42:09,170 --> 01:42:06,750
guys have got some very very big things

2356
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:09,180
that are about to launch and I can't be

2357
01:42:13,640 --> 01:42:11,610
more excited but that's what you guys

2358
01:42:16,160 --> 01:42:13,650
have planned you guys are not playing

2359
01:42:18,230 --> 01:42:16,170
around and it must be pretty cool to

2360
01:42:21,590 --> 01:42:18,240
have that kind of freedom and a partner

2361
01:42:23,570 --> 01:42:21,600
like Vitaly where the two of you you

2362
01:42:25,940 --> 01:42:23,580
know deliver the two of you get things

2363
01:42:27,770 --> 01:42:25,950
done and that's got to be you know

2364
01:42:31,130 --> 01:42:27,780
pretty freeing right where you have

2365
01:42:33,380 --> 01:42:31,140
these ideas but you have the ability to

2366
01:42:35,720 --> 01:42:33,390
put all of these pieces of the puzzle

2367
01:42:38,510 --> 01:42:35,730
together and and do these huge exciting

2368
01:42:40,190 --> 01:42:38,520
things okay so it's exciting every day's

2369
01:42:42,890 --> 01:42:40,200
you know we don't know what we're gonna

2370
01:42:44,690 --> 01:42:42,900
experience from day to day with the

2371
01:42:47,930 --> 01:42:44,700
contacts and calls that come into the

2372
01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:47,940
office but this one main thing we both

2373
01:42:53,210 --> 01:42:51,330
are striving for and that is a platform

2374
01:42:55,310 --> 01:42:53,220
for this subject and that it's

2375
01:42:58,400 --> 01:42:55,320
maintained and that there's growth in

2376
01:43:00,500 --> 01:42:58,410
not just in presenting this information

2377
01:43:02,780 --> 01:43:00,510
to the general public but also in

2378
01:43:05,180 --> 01:43:02,790
investigation and research and moving

2379
01:43:06,920 --> 01:43:05,190
forward and the distribution and most of

2380
01:43:09,470 --> 01:43:06,930
most of all at the top of the chain is

2381
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:09,480
networking because the more people that

2382
01:43:14,480 --> 01:43:11,730
talk with each other the more we learn

2383
01:43:16,700 --> 01:43:14,490
the more we advance it has to be that

2384
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:16,710
way and we're gonna talk about this when

2385
01:43:22,130 --> 01:43:19,770
we come back after the break what Steve

2386
01:43:23,870 --> 01:43:22,140
is working on right now so we're gonna

2387
01:43:25,970 --> 01:43:23,880
I'll save that for after the break we'll

2388
01:43:27,770 --> 01:43:25,980
do that in overtime but before we get

2389
01:43:31,370 --> 01:43:27,780
there Steve it's got to be pretty cool

2390
01:43:37,030 --> 01:43:31,380
to to have a partner like Vitaly who is

2391
01:43:42,450 --> 01:43:39,770
yeah I know he's listening right now and

2392
01:43:47,130 --> 01:43:42,460
he just straightened out his collar

2393
01:43:49,320 --> 01:43:47,140
yeah yeah yeah I'm that guy Jimmy I had

2394
01:43:51,180 --> 01:43:49,330
to get that in Batali's the best let's

2395
01:43:53,340 --> 01:43:51,190
take a break this is fade to black

2396
01:43:55,350 --> 01:43:53,350
I am your host Amy Church our guest is

2397
01:43:58,080 --> 01:43:55,360
Steve Merrill live from the United

2398
01:44:00,959 --> 01:43:58,090
Kingdom when we come back buckle up

2399
01:44:03,510 --> 01:44:00,969
because we're gonna discuss project

2400
01:44:05,490 --> 01:44:03,520
doorway what is project doorway well

2401
01:44:06,450 --> 01:44:05,500
I'll let Steve tell you all about it

2402
01:44:08,250 --> 01:44:06,460
when we come back

2403
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:08,260
this is fade to black on the GameChanger

2404
01:44:15,250 --> 01:44:12,010
network in kgr a the planets stay with

2405
01:44:15,260 --> 01:44:23,300
[Music]

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welcome back

2407
01:44:29,820 --> 01:44:26,949
fade to black heading into overtime with

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Steve mirror he saw this coming I was

2409
01:44:35,490 --> 01:44:32,260
watching Twitter don't think I didn't

2410
01:44:38,399 --> 01:44:35,500
notice had to do it

2411
01:44:40,050 --> 01:44:38,409
had to do it but you didn't know we were

2412
01:44:44,459 --> 01:44:40,060
gonna talk about we're gonna talk about

2413
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:44,469
project doorway and in an in it Steve if

2414
01:44:50,010 --> 01:44:47,050
you could give us a little brief

2415
01:44:52,709 --> 01:44:50,020
synopsis on what project doorway

2416
01:44:55,260 --> 01:44:52,719
actually is okay whoa

2417
01:44:59,609 --> 01:44:55,270
yeah I can do what project doorway is is

2418
01:45:02,490 --> 01:44:59,619
it is the thaw investigation into the

2419
01:45:05,669 --> 01:45:02,500
UFO phenomena what it represents what it

2420
01:45:07,620 --> 01:45:05,679
constitutes now today the 21st century

2421
01:45:10,020 --> 01:45:07,630
we know we're not in the 1950s and 60s

2422
01:45:12,570 --> 01:45:10,030
anymore we've come on a lot and this is

2423
01:45:16,620 --> 01:45:12,580
the information that could be put

2424
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:16,630
forward to encourage a new scientific

2425
01:45:24,030 --> 01:45:21,610
inquiry into the UFO phenomena so so

2426
01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:24,040
much more now than we did when the last

2427
01:45:27,330 --> 01:45:25,570
scientific career has been done around

2428
01:45:29,340 --> 01:45:27,340
around nineteen sixties and seventies I

2429
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:29,350
think we need to bring the best minds to

2430
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:32,530
the table because we can deliver a lot

2431
01:45:36,030 --> 01:45:34,570
more information now pertaining to what

2432
01:45:40,740 --> 01:45:36,040
this phenomena really to truly

2433
01:45:44,160 --> 01:45:40,750
constitutes so right now you are at what

2434
01:45:46,740 --> 01:45:44,170
stage you're three years into we are we

2435
01:45:48,750 --> 01:45:46,750
are here study yeah we're three years

2436
01:45:51,689 --> 01:45:48,760
into a five year study I mean obviously

2437
01:45:54,270 --> 01:45:51,699
I started in ufology back in 1983 in the

2438
01:45:56,910 --> 01:45:54,280
first case spent many years exhausted

2439
01:45:58,649 --> 01:45:56,920
the subject as far as I could go any

2440
01:46:01,649 --> 01:45:58,659
further and then I went into the

2441
01:46:04,260 --> 01:46:01,659
paranormal power psychological route and

2442
01:46:05,820 --> 01:46:04,270
I studied extensively now in that field

2443
01:46:09,060 --> 01:46:05,830
I was involved in a number of thing

2444
01:46:11,879 --> 01:46:09,070
tones and specialized and I thought they

2445
01:46:14,790 --> 01:46:11,889
specialized paranormal experiments that

2446
01:46:16,770 --> 01:46:14,800
have not been given the informations not

2447
01:46:18,780 --> 01:46:16,780
before the general public hasn't been

2448
01:46:21,290 --> 01:46:18,790
put out to the general public as yet I

2449
01:46:23,700 --> 01:46:21,300
was involved in six of them one of those

2450
01:46:26,640 --> 01:46:23,710
phenomena projects which was the last

2451
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one and what I experienced I have to say

2452
01:46:31,350 --> 01:46:28,929
did changed my life I would never I

2453
01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:31,360
would never believed anybody telling me

2454
01:46:34,819 --> 01:46:32,770
if I hadn't witnessed some of this

2455
01:46:37,399 --> 01:46:34,829
phenomena myself firsthand for

2456
01:46:40,069 --> 01:46:37,409
those experiments and we learnt very

2457
01:46:41,779 --> 01:46:40,079
quickly that the phenomena now

2458
01:46:44,299 --> 01:46:41,789
constitutes something much different

2459
01:46:47,119 --> 01:46:44,309
than what my mentors told me back in the

2460
01:46:48,619 --> 01:46:47,129
early 1980s I was told it with the UFO

2461
01:46:51,770 --> 01:46:48,629
phenomena was of a nuts-and-bolts

2462
01:46:55,250 --> 01:46:51,780
phenomena was crafts traveling the

2463
01:46:57,319 --> 01:46:55,260
distances of space linear and coming to

2464
01:47:00,560 --> 01:46:57,329
earth and as you terrestrials from other

2465
01:47:03,829 --> 01:47:00,570
planets and of course now from what we

2466
01:47:06,319 --> 01:47:03,839
know it constitutes much much more and

2467
01:47:08,569 --> 01:47:06,329
unfortunately right from beginning we've

2468
01:47:10,699 --> 01:47:08,579
had one hand tied behind our backs all

2469
01:47:13,129 --> 01:47:10,709
ufologists have you know we've had this

2470
01:47:16,310 --> 01:47:13,139
box I've had to work in called ufology

2471
01:47:18,649 --> 01:47:16,320
you know and nobody was really delving

2472
01:47:20,839 --> 01:47:18,659
into the other boxes because the other

2473
01:47:23,329 --> 01:47:20,849
boxes also constitute this phenomena

2474
01:47:25,459 --> 01:47:23,339
such as the spiritual the paranormal and

2475
01:47:28,489 --> 01:47:25,469
the metaphysical their crypts are

2476
01:47:29,929 --> 01:47:28,499
logical in some cases and because we

2477
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:29,939
weren't helping them to the internals of

2478
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:32,010
the boxes we had one hand tied behind

2479
01:47:35,750 --> 01:47:33,570
our backs and we're not going to get a

2480
01:47:38,270 --> 01:47:35,760
full picture of this phenomena until we

2481
01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:38,280
start looking at it as a whole which we

2482
01:47:41,839 --> 01:47:40,530
refer to as phenomenology and there's a

2483
01:47:43,969 --> 01:47:41,849
number of other researchers which are

2484
01:47:46,489 --> 01:47:43,979
kind of on that same path now and we

2485
01:47:49,879 --> 01:47:46,499
know right from the early days the CIA

2486
01:47:51,770 --> 01:47:49,889
made references such as with with

2487
01:47:54,049 --> 01:47:51,780
science and freaky magic could be here

2488
01:47:55,759 --> 01:47:54,059
with WS FM and it was found in old

2489
01:47:57,409 --> 01:47:55,769
documents and memos between the

2490
01:47:59,389 --> 01:47:57,419
department and it's because we're

2491
01:48:01,729 --> 01:47:59,399
dealing with the physics that we do not

2492
01:48:03,469 --> 01:48:01,739
really understand we had to kind of

2493
01:48:05,329 --> 01:48:03,479
throw away the physics that we know and

2494
01:48:07,969 --> 01:48:05,339
introduce something else and now

2495
01:48:11,389 --> 01:48:07,979
physicists are coming from through from

2496
01:48:15,229 --> 01:48:11,399
Harvard saying they are aware al-aziz

2497
01:48:17,060 --> 01:48:15,239
evidence of other realities very close

2498
01:48:20,659 --> 01:48:17,070
to ours and they are evident through

2499
01:48:22,729 --> 01:48:20,669
sapiens of gravity these are known to

2500
01:48:24,770 --> 01:48:22,739
happen and we know that the UFO

2501
01:48:26,869 --> 01:48:24,780
phenomena now constitutes the fact that

2502
01:48:28,989 --> 01:48:26,879
these things not always are structured

2503
01:48:32,750 --> 01:48:28,999
craft there are lions as well

2504
01:48:34,609 --> 01:48:32,760
intelligent interactive they have a

2505
01:48:36,589 --> 01:48:34,619
conscious connection with the observers

2506
01:48:38,540 --> 01:48:36,599
we know that from pilots reporting

2507
01:48:40,310 --> 01:48:38,550
trying to shoot day things down and they

2508
01:48:41,449 --> 01:48:40,320
make evasive maneuvers from people

2509
01:48:43,369 --> 01:48:41,459
trying to photograph them they won't

2510
01:48:44,929 --> 01:48:43,379
won't allow them to be present to the

2511
01:48:46,669 --> 01:48:44,939
problem cameras away that does happen

2512
01:48:47,790 --> 01:48:46,679
many many occasions is a conscious

2513
01:48:50,609 --> 01:48:47,800
connection but

2514
01:48:54,030 --> 01:48:50,619
also have amazing capabilities of

2515
01:48:56,609 --> 01:48:54,040
evasive evasive Ness they want to evade

2516
01:48:58,200 --> 01:48:56,619
or some many occasions and things are

2517
01:48:59,910 --> 01:48:58,210
happening in places around the earth

2518
01:49:03,120 --> 01:48:59,920
which are connected to this for knowing

2519
01:49:05,100 --> 01:49:03,130
where they manifest UFOs are seemingly

2520
01:49:07,229 --> 01:49:05,110
are manifesting in certain locations

2521
01:49:08,970 --> 01:49:07,239
around planet Earth and go about their

2522
01:49:11,370 --> 01:49:08,980
business so on sounds of going back to

2523
01:49:13,290 --> 01:49:11,380
these locations and D materialized now I

2524
01:49:15,870 --> 01:49:13,300
don't I'm not a fond lover of the name

2525
01:49:18,299 --> 01:49:15,880
portals and stargates and things like I

2526
01:49:20,580 --> 01:49:18,309
think it's very sci-fi but when NASA

2527
01:49:23,160 --> 01:49:20,590
came out three from three years ago and

2528
01:49:25,229 --> 01:49:23,170
mention about the MMS mission which is

2529
01:49:27,660 --> 01:49:25,239
about these portals they actually used

2530
01:49:30,839 --> 01:49:27,670
the word portals to outside of earth

2531
01:49:32,729 --> 01:49:30,849
around the planet that these are the get

2532
01:49:35,399 --> 01:49:32,739
Papa given name they used was deep air

2533
01:49:36,959 --> 01:49:35,409
electron diffused regions electron

2534
01:49:39,120 --> 01:49:36,969
diffusion regions and they are

2535
01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:39,130
sustainable portals these things are

2536
01:49:43,140 --> 01:49:41,770
going somewhere else and the evidence

2537
01:49:46,589 --> 01:49:43,150
that we have found when we look at

2538
01:49:48,839 --> 01:49:46,599
statistics now we know that round from

2539
01:49:51,089 --> 01:49:48,849
around the world UFOs are seen so

2540
01:49:53,459 --> 01:49:51,099
plentifully they are actually being seen

2541
01:49:55,589 --> 01:49:53,469
people often say where's all the UFOs

2542
01:49:57,299 --> 01:49:55,599
gone well they are still there they are

2543
01:50:00,299 --> 01:49:57,309
still hounding is just a reporting of

2544
01:50:02,189 --> 01:50:00,309
them is less but statistically when we

2545
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:02,199
look at them there's a huge amount of

2546
01:50:06,390 --> 01:50:04,090
UFOs being seen so many around the

2547
01:50:08,069 --> 01:50:06,400
planet on the daily basis that if they

2548
01:50:10,109 --> 01:50:08,079
were travelling backwards and forward to

2549
01:50:13,290 --> 01:50:10,119
earth to be a superhighway out there but

2550
01:50:15,720 --> 01:50:13,300
according to the the scientists and the

2551
01:50:17,910 --> 01:50:15,730
SETI astronomers that's not the case

2552
01:50:19,919 --> 01:50:17,920
they or they say that they can pick up

2553
01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:19,929
the my new things passing through the

2554
01:50:24,510 --> 01:50:22,530
ionosphere because the Daeva wake of

2555
01:50:26,459 --> 01:50:24,520
interference which could be measured and

2556
01:50:28,350 --> 01:50:26,469
listened to they're not seeing that

2557
01:50:32,220 --> 01:50:28,360
whether you're coming from is the

2558
01:50:34,649 --> 01:50:32,230
biggest question well and the innocence

2559
01:50:36,600 --> 01:50:34,659
of I was talking about this earlier in

2560
01:50:41,459 --> 01:50:36,610
the show tonight now before you came on

2561
01:50:42,720 --> 01:50:41,469
with us the innocence of the subject and

2562
01:50:45,919 --> 01:50:42,730
the people that were trying to make

2563
01:50:48,870 --> 01:50:45,929
sense of it in the 1940s 1950s 1960s

2564
01:50:50,910 --> 01:50:48,880
they just didn't understand they were

2565
01:50:53,399 --> 01:50:50,920
probably seeing the same phenomena that

2566
01:50:56,010 --> 01:50:53,409
we are seeing today but they couldn't

2567
01:50:57,990 --> 01:50:56,020
explain it it was a nuts and bolts world

2568
01:50:59,970 --> 01:50:58,000
they didn't have the understanding of

2569
01:51:01,110 --> 01:50:59,980
physics that we do today and quantum

2570
01:51:03,050 --> 01:51:01,120
physics and and the way

2571
01:51:06,150 --> 01:51:03,060
that we look at things and time and

2572
01:51:09,270 --> 01:51:06,160
dimensions and gravity if we didn't have

2573
01:51:11,250 --> 01:51:09,280
any idea or the the amount of planets

2574
01:51:13,680 --> 01:51:11,260
that are out there back then there was

2575
01:51:15,540 --> 01:51:13,690
no knowledge of any planet so we didn't

2576
01:51:17,490 --> 01:51:15,550
even know where they were coming from we

2577
01:51:19,970 --> 01:51:17,500
were assuming that it might even be

2578
01:51:22,740 --> 01:51:19,980
inside of our own solar system today

2579
01:51:26,220 --> 01:51:22,750
you're absolutely right it's a whole

2580
01:51:29,520 --> 01:51:26,230
different situation even though some of

2581
01:51:34,260 --> 01:51:29,530
it may be metallic nuts and bolts flying

2582
01:51:37,200 --> 01:51:34,270
saucers but the descriptions from the

2583
01:51:39,120 --> 01:51:37,210
past which is it just appeared and then

2584
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:39,130
it just disappeared they didn't

2585
01:51:44,970 --> 01:51:42,010
understand why today we're applying that

2586
01:51:47,550 --> 01:51:44,980
science and your eggs absolutely correct

2587
01:51:49,140 --> 01:51:47,560
on this we have to approach it from a

2588
01:51:51,570 --> 01:51:49,150
different mindset if we're gonna get

2589
01:51:53,010 --> 01:51:51,580
these answers right absolutely I mean

2590
01:51:55,290 --> 01:51:53,020
from the people I've talked to in the

2591
01:51:57,660 --> 01:51:55,300
subjects when you really get down today

2592
01:51:59,400 --> 01:51:57,670
the crux of the matter is that there was

2593
01:52:01,110 --> 01:51:59,410
a lot of there seems to be an inner

2594
01:52:04,020 --> 01:52:01,120
circle of ufology and an outer circle

2595
01:52:06,030 --> 01:52:04,030
the inner circle of ufology are really a

2596
01:52:09,300 --> 01:52:06,040
lot of researchers are doing that own

2597
01:52:11,610 --> 01:52:09,310
work such as like jet valet for an

2598
01:52:14,190 --> 01:52:11,620
example and I've talked with him not too

2599
01:52:16,320 --> 01:52:14,200
long ago and he touched on this many

2600
01:52:18,510 --> 01:52:16,330
years ago but now it seems to come full

2601
01:52:20,790 --> 01:52:18,520
circle if we help the right minds that

2602
01:52:22,770 --> 01:52:20,800
come to the table we can push into areas

2603
01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:22,780
of new research we can look at for

2604
01:52:28,200 --> 01:52:25,930
example the meta meta material analysis

2605
01:52:31,200 --> 01:52:28,210
it's showing that the isotopic range of

2606
01:52:32,790 --> 01:52:31,210
these materials are kind of not from

2607
01:52:35,400 --> 01:52:32,800
Earth even though that they they are

2608
01:52:37,380 --> 01:52:35,410
found on earth but the isotopic range is

2609
01:52:39,840 --> 01:52:37,390
4% differentials that means ice come

2610
01:52:41,370 --> 01:52:39,850
from somewhere else not terrestrial but

2611
01:52:43,710 --> 01:52:41,380
the suckers same things were seemingly

2612
01:52:46,020 --> 01:52:43,720
found in the reports of alien implants

2613
01:52:47,550 --> 01:52:46,030
which which Rajal arrows it was

2614
01:52:47,970 --> 01:52:47,560
investigating when he was when he was

2615
01:52:49,710 --> 01:52:47,980
alive

2616
01:52:51,570 --> 01:52:49,720
exactly the same thing these connections

2617
01:52:53,910 --> 01:52:51,580
need to be made new news 1112 years

2618
01:52:55,350 --> 01:52:53,920
apart between the metamaterial and ice

2619
01:52:56,940 --> 01:52:55,360
and implant analysis but when you look

2620
01:52:58,920 --> 01:52:56,950
at them they're made of the same thing

2621
01:53:00,720 --> 01:52:58,930
with the same 4% differentials and the

2622
01:53:02,790 --> 01:53:00,730
answer topic ranges so is the same

2623
01:53:04,410 --> 01:53:02,800
whatever these things are these research

2624
01:53:06,510 --> 01:53:04,420
needs to be done in that field as there

2625
01:53:08,580 --> 01:53:06,520
is in gravitational anomalies where

2626
01:53:11,190 --> 01:53:08,590
these objects are manifesting there's a

2627
01:53:12,810 --> 01:53:11,200
residue of magnetic interference and

2628
01:53:14,390 --> 01:53:12,820
gravitational anomalies in those

2629
01:53:16,130 --> 01:53:14,400
locations which can be

2630
01:53:18,380 --> 01:53:16,140
now measured because we do have

2631
01:53:20,300 --> 01:53:18,390
equipment it can measure time anomalies

2632
01:53:22,520 --> 01:53:20,310
and gravitational anomalies where is

2633
01:53:25,340 --> 01:53:22,530
also satellites in orbit we can utilize

2634
01:53:27,590 --> 01:53:25,350
now to look at key locations where UFO

2635
01:53:29,660 --> 01:53:27,600
phenomena is manifesting and it

2636
01:53:31,280 --> 01:53:29,670
manifests in certain locations for

2637
01:53:33,350 --> 01:53:31,290
certain reasons one of those locations

2638
01:53:35,600 --> 01:53:33,360
are arts widespread across the planet

2639
01:53:37,700 --> 01:53:35,610
known as positive magnetic anomalies

2640
01:53:40,310 --> 01:53:37,710
which have a less amount of bacteria in

2641
01:53:42,050 --> 01:53:40,320
those areas as well coincidentally and

2642
01:53:45,760 --> 01:53:42,060
there are loads of Aries are these newer

2643
01:53:48,919 --> 01:53:45,770
pieces of research and push you into the

2644
01:53:50,660 --> 01:53:48,929
doing new new research in these areas by

2645
01:53:52,399 --> 01:53:50,670
different researchers around the world I

2646
01:53:54,470 --> 01:53:52,409
think we need to do that we need to

2647
01:53:56,390 --> 01:53:54,480
advance into these areas now and and

2648
01:53:58,970 --> 01:53:56,400
look at the phenomena as a whole because

2649
01:54:00,380 --> 01:53:58,980
it does involve the power normal just as

2650
01:54:02,360 --> 01:54:00,390
a very quick example we had a

2651
01:54:05,510 --> 01:54:02,370
poltergeist disturbance three years ago

2652
01:54:07,399 --> 01:54:05,520
a mug that was in a port disappeared for

2653
01:54:10,459 --> 01:54:07,409
90 minutes appeared in in another room

2654
01:54:12,939 --> 01:54:10,469
that was analyzed by I'm one of my wait

2655
01:54:16,840 --> 01:54:12,949
wait wait wait where did you just say

2656
01:54:20,930 --> 01:54:16,850
slow down for a second what what

2657
01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:20,940
materializing demon a mug a kitchen mug

2658
01:54:28,010 --> 01:54:25,770
at poor mug dis a mug and reappeared

2659
01:54:31,100 --> 01:54:28,020
what we was mattered we were able to

2660
01:54:34,490 --> 01:54:31,110
analyze it and under the microscope it

2661
01:54:37,669 --> 01:54:34,500
was not the same mug it had gone through

2662
01:54:39,950 --> 01:54:37,679
some very strange dynamic reactions now

2663
01:54:42,260 --> 01:54:39,960
those day thermic reactions in this mug

2664
01:54:44,360 --> 01:54:42,270
we'd seen before we couldn't work out

2665
01:54:44,720 --> 01:54:44,370
where we'd seen it I knew we'd seen it

2666
01:54:46,490 --> 01:54:44,730
before

2667
01:54:49,120 --> 01:54:46,500
and it was in an older document of

2668
01:54:52,340 --> 01:54:49,130
analysis which is referred to is

2669
01:54:54,500 --> 01:54:52,350
biological traumatology to plants that's

2670
01:54:56,689 --> 01:54:54,510
when a UFO comes close to the ground and

2671
01:54:59,149 --> 01:54:56,699
affects the plants on the ground the

2672
01:55:00,260 --> 01:54:59,159
plants were analyzed and they found

2673
01:55:02,990 --> 01:55:00,270
there's a clear they're saying

2674
01:55:05,180 --> 01:55:03,000
diathermic reactions in them which means

2675
01:55:08,209 --> 01:55:05,190
these evidence of support that the

2676
01:55:10,669 --> 01:55:08,219
father and a manifestation of a mug in a

2677
01:55:13,910 --> 01:55:10,679
poltergeist case and a manifestation of

2678
01:55:16,729 --> 01:55:13,920
a UFO may be using the very same physics

2679
01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:16,739
which really joins these two phenomena

2680
01:55:22,970 --> 01:55:19,370
together in some way this poltergeist

2681
01:55:25,850 --> 01:55:22,980
from three years ago was this in your

2682
01:55:27,200 --> 01:55:25,860
home you were witness to it this was an

2683
01:55:29,690 --> 01:55:27,210
investigation it'll play

2684
01:55:31,459 --> 01:55:29,700
scene in a place called Morcom not too

2685
01:55:33,380 --> 01:55:31,469
far from Blackpool in the UK where

2686
01:55:35,840 --> 01:55:33,390
family were having these disturbances

2687
01:55:37,580 --> 01:55:35,850
that is when it was the incident took

2688
01:55:40,340 --> 01:55:37,590
place join the investigation and

2689
01:55:42,800 --> 01:55:40,350
analyzed by Lancaster University okay so

2690
01:55:45,260 --> 01:55:42,810
you weren't a witness to it but you did

2691
01:55:48,200 --> 01:55:45,270
the investigation oh no I was that at

2692
01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:48,210
the time I will stop Steve stop stop

2693
01:55:52,280 --> 01:55:48,570
stop

2694
01:55:55,970 --> 01:55:52,290
tell me about this you can't just just

2695
01:55:58,010 --> 01:55:55,980
just you know just nonchalantly just lay

2696
01:56:02,720 --> 01:55:58,020
this out there and let's move on and

2697
01:56:05,300 --> 01:56:02,730
talk about superconductors know what

2698
01:56:07,100 --> 01:56:05,310
happened well I mean I've been involved

2699
01:56:08,870 --> 01:56:07,110
in a paranormal research quite a lot

2700
01:56:10,280 --> 01:56:08,880
I've had spent 17 years working for

2701
01:56:11,959 --> 01:56:10,290
corporate companies in the UK

2702
01:56:14,080 --> 01:56:11,969
Accio I think I would believe I was the

2703
01:56:17,150 --> 01:56:14,090
only establishment in the world

2704
01:56:19,940 --> 01:56:17,160
officially on record to investigate

2705
01:56:21,950 --> 01:56:19,950
corporate companies disturbances and and

2706
01:56:23,959 --> 01:56:21,960
of course that happened a lot I got

2707
01:56:27,140 --> 01:56:23,969
called out by private landlords as well

2708
01:56:29,030 --> 01:56:27,150
unknown this occasion this the house

2709
01:56:30,800 --> 01:56:29,040
very large house and he was having these

2710
01:56:33,680 --> 01:56:30,810
paranormal disturbances policy guys

2711
01:56:36,050 --> 01:56:33,690
infestation and join whilst we that

2712
01:56:38,479 --> 01:56:36,060
investigation instance were happening

2713
01:56:41,150 --> 01:56:38,489
one of those instance was in a portation

2714
01:56:43,610 --> 01:56:41,160
when an object it was a car it was a mug

2715
01:56:44,990 --> 01:56:43,620
in the kitchen he had been placed on the

2716
01:56:46,700 --> 01:56:45,000
side who actually wants to have a cup of

2717
01:56:49,100 --> 01:56:46,710
tea and all of a sudden we turn around

2718
01:56:52,100 --> 01:56:49,110
and it would gone it didn't appear till

2719
01:56:54,380 --> 01:56:52,110
96 roughly 96 minutes later in the

2720
01:56:56,330 --> 01:56:54,390
middle of the carpet in the lounge which

2721
01:56:59,900 --> 01:56:56,340
is ridiculous because there's no way

2722
01:57:01,370 --> 01:56:59,910
which we could have missed that and what

2723
01:57:04,190 --> 01:57:01,380
was good for us is that we will be able

2724
01:57:06,680 --> 01:57:04,200
to bench test it against another mug of

2725
01:57:10,459 --> 01:57:06,690
exact exactly the same it was a set of

2726
01:57:13,610 --> 01:57:10,469
four right and we analyzed them and this

2727
01:57:17,090 --> 01:57:13,620
particular book the a portation that mug

2728
01:57:19,150 --> 01:57:17,100
was not the same mug it looked the same

2729
01:57:22,550 --> 01:57:19,160
he weighed the same II felt the same

2730
01:57:25,580 --> 01:57:22,560
under the microscope it was not the same

2731
01:57:28,190 --> 01:57:25,590
and the reactions the diathermic

2732
01:57:31,130 --> 01:57:28,200
reactions had happened in this mug were

2733
01:57:33,440 --> 01:57:31,140
were very very strange but we'd had seen

2734
01:57:35,660 --> 01:57:33,450
this relevant information before and

2735
01:57:37,760 --> 01:57:35,670
when we went through our files we found

2736
01:57:40,510 --> 01:57:37,770
it we found the exact day thermic

2737
01:57:45,010 --> 01:57:40,520
reactions mentioned implants wore

2738
01:57:46,780 --> 01:57:45,020
ecology when the UFO where a UFO came

2739
01:57:49,090 --> 01:57:46,790
close to the ground and affected the

2740
01:57:51,670 --> 01:57:49,100
area and the plants those plants were

2741
01:57:53,890 --> 01:57:51,680
taken and analyzed and the same died

2742
01:57:56,380 --> 01:57:53,900
thurman reactions was seen into them so

2743
01:57:59,230 --> 01:57:56,390
it was seen that the field around and

2744
01:58:01,570 --> 01:57:59,240
the object associated to the physics or

2745
01:58:04,570 --> 01:58:01,580
beat the power normal a manifestation of

2746
01:58:06,850 --> 01:58:04,580
a moth or a manifestation of a UFO might

2747
01:58:09,400 --> 01:58:06,860
be the principal physics as involved and

2748
01:58:11,680 --> 01:58:09,410
this is an area where research needs to

2749
01:58:13,660 --> 01:58:11,690
go he needs to look at these phenomena

2750
01:58:15,730 --> 01:58:13,670
not just in a youthful logical round but

2751
01:58:17,500 --> 01:58:15,740
the power normal because ufology first

2752
01:58:20,170 --> 01:58:17,510
started in the paranormal realm not in

2753
01:58:23,110 --> 01:58:20,180
the skies it started with communication

2754
01:58:25,510 --> 01:58:23,120
spiritually with with entities and then

2755
01:58:28,510 --> 01:58:25,520
it got picked up by the metaphysical

2756
01:58:31,110 --> 01:58:28,520
Society which became the Vril society in

2757
01:58:32,920 --> 01:58:31,120
the German during the Second World War

2758
01:58:34,930 --> 01:58:32,930
information was gathered then from

2759
01:58:37,180 --> 01:58:34,940
extraterrestrials et contact those sort

2760
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:37,190
of cases he went on to an experiment

2761
01:58:41,500 --> 01:58:38,810
known as the Skoll experiment took place

2762
01:58:44,470 --> 01:58:41,510
in Norfolk in the UK very famous case

2763
01:58:47,670 --> 01:58:44,480
where manifestations and communications

2764
01:58:50,680 --> 01:58:47,680
with ETS took place as well as spiritual

2765
01:58:53,140 --> 01:58:50,690
communications and it has always had one

2766
01:58:54,790 --> 01:58:53,150
foot in the paranormal realm so we have

2767
01:58:57,280 --> 01:58:54,800
to say you know when we look at the

2768
01:58:59,800 --> 01:58:57,290
whole picture of the youthful logical

2769
01:59:02,110 --> 01:58:59,810
phenomena that it also represents in the

2770
01:59:04,810 --> 01:59:02,120
field in the paranormal and this was

2771
01:59:07,510 --> 01:59:04,820
known years ago it was separated

2772
01:59:08,770 --> 01:59:07,520
purposely Bluebook offices separated it

2773
01:59:10,720 --> 01:59:08,780
purposely didn't want to hear about all

2774
01:59:12,970 --> 01:59:10,730
that ghosty stuff let's just stick to

2775
01:59:15,100 --> 01:59:12,980
the facts about the UFO and in fact some

2776
01:59:17,560 --> 01:59:15,110
people were reporting seen a UFO and

2777
01:59:19,810 --> 01:59:17,570
then having a spate of paranormal or

2778
01:59:20,970 --> 01:59:19,820
poltergeist infestation straight after

2779
01:59:23,170 --> 01:59:20,980
for a week or so

2780
01:59:25,660 --> 01:59:23,180
there was connections has always seemed

2781
01:59:27,670 --> 01:59:25,670
to been some connections between the

2782
01:59:29,890 --> 01:59:27,680
Powell supplier power normal and you for

2783
01:59:31,570 --> 01:59:29,900
logical phenomena and I think that now

2784
01:59:33,640 --> 01:59:31,580
we can open all these other doors these

2785
01:59:35,590 --> 01:59:33,650
areas of research now and say let's look

2786
01:59:36,220 --> 01:59:35,600
at the picture as a whole not just in

2787
01:59:38,170 --> 01:59:36,230
ufology

2788
01:59:40,450 --> 01:59:38,180
we'll start pushing forward and getting

2789
01:59:43,780 --> 01:59:40,460
some answers because I'm hearing people

2790
01:59:46,480 --> 01:59:43,790
right from the 1960s people from the

2791
01:59:48,580 --> 01:59:46,490
Defense Intelligence units in America

2792
01:59:50,800 --> 01:59:48,590
these these establishments which we're

2793
01:59:52,960 --> 01:59:50,810
investigating UFOs saying well it's

2794
01:59:54,390 --> 01:59:52,970
about psi its size phenomena how much

2795
01:59:55,830 --> 01:59:54,400
you know about side phenomena

2796
01:59:58,110 --> 01:59:55,840
to have a good understanding of that and

2797
02:00:00,990 --> 01:59:58,120
then right through even today I mean

2798
02:00:03,510 --> 02:00:01,000
we've got people who leads information

2799
02:00:05,310 --> 02:00:03,520
to the TTS a saying our guys are a

2800
02:00:06,750 --> 02:00:05,320
research in UFO phenomena got a little

2801
02:00:08,310 --> 02:00:06,760
bit edgy because they didn't know if it

2802
02:00:09,300 --> 02:00:08,320
was something deem illogical or power

2803
02:00:11,160 --> 02:00:09,310
normal right

2804
02:00:13,050 --> 02:00:11,170
you know you you've got to consider the

2805
02:00:14,700 --> 02:00:13,060
whole picture to get forward in this

2806
02:00:17,850 --> 02:00:14,710
subject and I think that's the way

2807
02:00:23,100 --> 02:00:17,860
forward I think you explained my missing

2808
02:00:28,020 --> 02:00:23,110
socks there's another element to this

2809
02:00:30,750 --> 02:00:28,030
you know where if we go back and I'm not

2810
02:00:31,890 --> 02:00:30,760
read this is not a reach Steve but if

2811
02:00:34,800 --> 02:00:31,900
you go back and we talked about

2812
02:00:37,229 --> 02:00:34,810
trickster entities and you know stealing

2813
02:00:40,350 --> 02:00:37,239
little objects from your house and you

2814
02:00:44,010 --> 02:00:40,360
know the fairies always misplacing your

2815
02:00:47,250 --> 02:00:44,020
keys but then you find them later you

2816
02:00:49,500 --> 02:00:47,260
know these things happen it's it's very

2817
02:00:53,370 --> 02:00:49,510
similar to what you're describing there

2818
02:00:54,570 --> 02:00:53,380
except we try to rationalize it in our

2819
02:00:57,270 --> 02:00:54,580
own mind right

2820
02:00:59,370 --> 02:00:57,280
I just lost them maybe if you analyzed

2821
02:01:06,120 --> 02:00:59,380
your keys once you found them you'd find

2822
02:01:08,700 --> 02:01:06,130
that they weren't the same I mean we do

2823
02:01:11,040 --> 02:01:08,710
know and I talked with researcher Grant

2824
02:01:13,530 --> 02:01:11,050
Cameron who's very much into this I mean

2825
02:01:15,750 --> 02:01:13,540
we've been in some consistent talks now

2826
02:01:17,669 --> 02:01:15,760
for over a year and with regard in our

2827
02:01:21,180 --> 02:01:17,679
research on that port ations and UFO

2828
02:01:23,729 --> 02:01:21,190
phenomena and what we consider in here

2829
02:01:26,340 --> 02:01:23,739
as a section of research is that when

2830
02:01:28,800 --> 02:01:26,350
airports do take place you wouldn't be

2831
02:01:30,870 --> 02:01:28,810
able to identify that Apple as an apple

2832
02:01:34,200 --> 02:01:30,880
in lots the same feels the same ways the

2833
02:01:36,680 --> 02:01:34,210
same how would we know it is only under

2834
02:01:40,169 --> 02:01:36,690
the microscope but it would seem that

2835
02:01:42,390 --> 02:01:40,179
paranormal phenomena continues but

2836
02:01:44,880 --> 02:01:42,400
weakens on suppressors very quickly once

2837
02:01:47,100 --> 02:01:44,890
you take the Apple out the location so

2838
02:01:49,290 --> 02:01:47,110
does the Apple where it comes from

2839
02:01:52,260 --> 02:01:49,300
somewhere else cause some type of

2840
02:01:55,740 --> 02:01:52,270
quantum bridging between our reality and

2841
02:01:57,720 --> 02:01:55,750
another reality um and this is where

2842
02:01:59,640 --> 02:01:57,730
we're going this is all quantum physics

2843
02:02:01,350 --> 02:01:59,650
and quantum reality unfortunately but I

2844
02:02:03,600 --> 02:02:01,360
think this is the way forward within

2845
02:02:05,040 --> 02:02:03,610
this subject I think as soon as we start

2846
02:02:06,270 --> 02:02:05,050
accepting the fact that we're dealing

2847
02:02:08,970 --> 02:02:06,280
with something

2848
02:02:12,090 --> 02:02:08,980
she's seems in seemingly metaphysical in

2849
02:02:15,540 --> 02:02:12,100
nature and constitutes their also

2850
02:02:17,340 --> 02:02:15,550
paranormal phenomena and psi then that's

2851
02:02:19,470 --> 02:02:17,350
gonna open up doorways of new research

2852
02:02:21,690 --> 02:02:19,480
because ufologist of them just have to

2853
02:02:24,360 --> 02:02:21,700
step home of the comfort zone just a

2854
02:02:26,010 --> 02:02:24,370
little bit to say okay let's look at the

2855
02:02:28,020 --> 02:02:26,020
paranormal aspects or the psychic

2856
02:02:29,520 --> 02:02:28,030
ramifications of these experiences I

2857
02:02:32,100 --> 02:02:29,530
think that's the way forward and I think

2858
02:02:33,570 --> 02:02:32,110
having this project which we've been

2859
02:02:35,070 --> 02:02:33,580
working on for such a long time now

2860
02:02:36,750 --> 02:02:35,080
traveling around the world and looking

2861
02:02:38,850 --> 02:02:36,760
at ancient sites which are connected

2862
02:02:41,100 --> 02:02:38,860
still actively connected to the

2863
02:02:43,140 --> 02:02:41,110
phenomenal UFO phenomena in key

2864
02:02:47,460 --> 02:02:43,150
locations this is why weeks are kind of

2865
02:02:51,630 --> 02:02:47,470
all falls in place that we will start to

2866
02:02:53,520 --> 02:02:51,640
see a wider scope as to where to go and

2867
02:02:55,560 --> 02:02:53,530
investigate and where to push forward we

2868
02:02:57,540 --> 02:02:55,570
have new equipment we have new pieces of

2869
02:03:00,030 --> 02:02:57,550
software now that can be used we have

2870
02:03:03,180 --> 02:03:00,040
new ways of identifying this phenomena

2871
02:03:06,540 --> 02:03:03,190
and ways to idea to experience it as

2872
02:03:08,190 --> 02:03:06,550
well because we know that this phenomena

2873
02:03:09,990 --> 02:03:08,200
can also generate into sonics

2874
02:03:12,180 --> 02:03:10,000
we know that because its effects on

2875
02:03:14,850 --> 02:03:12,190
birds and insects they go for very quiet

2876
02:03:16,650 --> 02:03:14,860
and that's a manifestation and there

2877
02:03:19,200 --> 02:03:16,660
were some of those wonderful areas of

2878
02:03:21,330 --> 02:03:19,210
research we've decided over the last

2879
02:03:24,090 --> 02:03:21,340
three years is to do a new course and

2880
02:03:26,070 --> 02:03:24,100
you course it will help people push

2881
02:03:29,430 --> 02:03:26,080
forward into these new areas of research

2882
02:03:30,780 --> 02:03:29,440
in ufology and we went to the best

2883
02:03:33,570 --> 02:03:30,790
people around the world as well and

2884
02:03:36,570 --> 02:03:33,580
they've managed to put things together

2885
02:03:38,340 --> 02:03:36,580
for was their latest credible details on

2886
02:03:40,260 --> 02:03:38,350
the subject you follow G and we plowed

2887
02:03:42,570 --> 02:03:40,270
it all into this course known as the new

2888
02:03:44,970 --> 02:03:42,580
ITC the UFO investigators training

2889
02:03:48,570 --> 02:03:44,980
course we recently submitted this to

2890
02:03:51,930 --> 02:03:48,580
MUFON we had a meeting with with John

2891
02:03:53,760 --> 02:03:51,940
Hazen and he was he was very surprised

2892
02:03:56,910 --> 02:03:53,770
with the with the the actual course and

2893
02:03:58,350 --> 02:03:56,920
wanted to recommend it by MUFON which is

2894
02:03:59,520 --> 02:03:58,360
gonna be available in that's a couple of

2895
02:04:02,490 --> 02:03:59,530
weeks but it's of course it's ongoing

2896
02:04:04,530 --> 02:04:02,500
because the soldier is forever changing

2897
02:04:06,090 --> 02:04:04,540
and we're ever learning something so

2898
02:04:08,430 --> 02:04:06,100
those learning of this subject should

2899
02:04:09,870 --> 02:04:08,440
never be static so what we're saying is

2900
02:04:11,700 --> 02:04:09,880
is that though that there is a principal

2901
02:04:14,250 --> 02:04:11,710
course to study which takes you right

2902
02:04:17,430 --> 02:04:14,260
from basic to the advanced areas of this

2903
02:04:20,130 --> 02:04:17,440
research which we are providing now that

2904
02:04:21,870 --> 02:04:20,140
there also continues to be free or

2905
02:04:23,820 --> 02:04:21,880
some modules going to be given out

2906
02:04:26,190 --> 02:04:23,830
because that's what we want to do we

2907
02:04:27,840 --> 02:04:26,200
want to take people into new areas so

2908
02:04:29,070 --> 02:04:27,850
that we're not so static and so that

2909
02:04:31,470 --> 02:04:29,080
we're not just get in another photograph

2910
02:04:33,780 --> 02:04:31,480
in another video that we are actually

2911
02:04:37,440 --> 02:04:33,790
coming up with some answers to this yeah

2912
02:04:41,390 --> 02:04:37,450
because this is what is interesting

2913
02:04:43,740 --> 02:04:41,400
because you brought up a point that

2914
02:04:46,020 --> 02:04:43,750
physicists on the other side are

2915
02:04:48,840 --> 02:04:46,030
bringing up the same point but that is

2916
02:04:50,580 --> 02:04:48,850
here in the UFO community we do need to

2917
02:04:52,830 --> 02:04:50,590
talk about the interdimensional the

2918
02:04:55,590 --> 02:04:52,840
parallel worlds the alternate reality

2919
02:04:59,190 --> 02:04:55,600
side of things that the the the part

2920
02:05:02,310 --> 02:04:59,200
about this that takes it out of the the

2921
02:05:06,350 --> 02:05:02,320
peer physical side of the UFO hypothesis

2922
02:05:09,120 --> 02:05:06,360
and then but on the other side the same

2923
02:05:11,360 --> 02:05:09,130
argument is being put out there by

2924
02:05:14,820 --> 02:05:11,370
physicists and the scientific community

2925
02:05:17,340 --> 02:05:14,830
which is there are extra dimensions

2926
02:05:20,760 --> 02:05:17,350
outside of our four with string theory

2927
02:05:23,520 --> 02:05:20,770
there are multiple universes there are

2928
02:05:26,280 --> 02:05:23,530
parallel worlds there are alternate

2929
02:05:30,690 --> 02:05:26,290
realities there is entanglement right

2930
02:05:33,540 --> 02:05:30,700
and they want us the world to understand

2931
02:05:35,970 --> 02:05:33,550
and believe these concepts that are

2932
02:05:39,030 --> 02:05:35,980
sound like pure science fiction but they

2933
02:05:42,570 --> 02:05:39,040
are not the math says that this is real

2934
02:05:44,550 --> 02:05:42,580
well if that is the case then all of the

2935
02:05:46,200 --> 02:05:44,560
paranormal and the supernatural no

2936
02:05:48,750 --> 02:05:46,210
matter what a physicist is gonna tell

2937
02:05:51,630 --> 02:05:48,760
you all of the spirituality that we're

2938
02:05:54,090 --> 02:05:51,640
talking about is being proven by the

2939
02:05:56,310 --> 02:05:54,100
scientific community we need to get the

2940
02:05:58,410 --> 02:05:56,320
two of these groups together man it's

2941
02:06:00,360 --> 02:05:58,420
likely exactly and that's a way of

2942
02:06:01,860 --> 02:06:00,370
moving forward because I don't think

2943
02:06:04,350 --> 02:06:01,870
we're gonna we don't go to get more

2944
02:06:05,850 --> 02:06:04,360
answers from there you know and all

2945
02:06:08,100 --> 02:06:05,860
these other people would come forward

2946
02:06:09,750 --> 02:06:08,110
with experiences or photograph or you

2947
02:06:12,180 --> 02:06:09,760
know I'm a contact II and so on and so

2948
02:06:14,280 --> 02:06:12,190
forth we because it's a hyper evasive

2949
02:06:15,030 --> 02:06:14,290
phenomena it always has been and it

2950
02:06:17,070 --> 02:06:15,040
always will be

2951
02:06:18,780 --> 02:06:17,080
it's always one step ahead of us you can

2952
02:06:20,850 --> 02:06:18,790
read us consciously we know what we're

2953
02:06:22,590 --> 02:06:20,860
going to do before we do it we exactly

2954
02:06:25,050 --> 02:06:22,600
same things happens in sales is when we

2955
02:06:27,000 --> 02:06:25,060
sat down these questions 20 questions to

2956
02:06:28,410 --> 02:06:27,010
ask and then we delivered the answers

2957
02:06:30,240 --> 02:06:28,420
before we've even given the question cuz

2958
02:06:31,200 --> 02:06:30,250
there's a conscious connection you know

2959
02:06:34,560 --> 02:06:31,210
is no sir

2960
02:06:38,550 --> 02:06:34,570
is that we people experience sleep

2961
02:06:40,709 --> 02:06:38,560
deprivation and paralysis join these

2962
02:06:42,270 --> 02:06:40,719
experiences in the paranormal when the

2963
02:06:45,120 --> 02:06:42,280
black figure appears in a bedroom or

2964
02:06:47,640 --> 02:06:45,130
shadow figure or beat UFOs or aliens

2965
02:06:48,420 --> 02:06:47,650
turnip or small beings and lights coming

2966
02:06:51,479 --> 02:06:48,430
through the window

2967
02:06:53,459 --> 02:06:51,489
you know these phenomena are seemingly a

2968
02:06:55,590 --> 02:06:53,469
one of the same they're just the feasts

2969
02:06:57,630 --> 02:06:55,600
it seems to have a different mask and

2970
02:06:59,070 --> 02:06:57,640
the phenomena has been showing these

2971
02:07:02,040 --> 02:06:59,080
different masks through different times

2972
02:07:04,050 --> 02:07:02,050
the further we go back the mass changes

2973
02:07:06,720 --> 02:07:04,060
the name changes you know they've been

2974
02:07:09,390 --> 02:07:06,730
from the aliens to you know to the

2975
02:07:11,310 --> 02:07:09,400
fairies to the the demons and the demons

2976
02:07:12,570 --> 02:07:11,320
and the archons and the jinn you can

2977
02:07:14,250 --> 02:07:12,580
call them what you will but they

2978
02:07:16,560 --> 02:07:14,260
seemingly are one of the same things

2979
02:07:19,320 --> 02:07:16,570
right and same powers no question about

2980
02:07:21,330 --> 02:07:19,330
that and I find this you know really

2981
02:07:25,380 --> 02:07:21,340
really exciting but where is the

2982
02:07:27,000 --> 02:07:25,390
information for you ITC the you ITC

2983
02:07:28,979 --> 02:07:27,010
course is going to be going up on the

2984
02:07:30,690 --> 02:07:28,989
MUFON website store within the next

2985
02:07:34,320 --> 02:07:30,700
couple of weeks available first time

2986
02:07:36,900 --> 02:07:34,330
available under special offer but this

2987
02:07:38,100 --> 02:07:36,910
is a it's an ongoing thing because what

2988
02:07:40,410 --> 02:07:38,110
we're saying to people is is that this

2989
02:07:43,040 --> 02:07:40,420
is a starting point this is a 300 page

2990
02:07:45,900 --> 02:07:43,050
glossy magazine well it's a glossy book

2991
02:07:48,660 --> 02:07:45,910
and it's a resource thing that they can

2992
02:07:49,950 --> 02:07:48,670
take with them they can apply right from

2993
02:07:51,870 --> 02:07:49,960
the beginning or they being interested

2994
02:07:53,850 --> 02:07:51,880
in the subject to advanced studies it

2995
02:07:55,740 --> 02:07:53,860
tells you where to go and how to get it

2996
02:07:58,110 --> 02:07:55,750
where to get the software which you can

2997
02:07:59,820 --> 02:07:58,120
you touch you can tap into satellites

2998
02:08:01,830 --> 02:07:59,830
orbiting the Earth which are constantly

2999
02:08:04,500 --> 02:08:01,840
measuring gravitational anomalies and

3000
02:08:07,290 --> 02:08:04,510
magnetic anomalies and the evidence

3001
02:08:10,890 --> 02:08:07,300
points to the phenomena of UFOs are

3002
02:08:13,050 --> 02:08:10,900
utilizing magnetic anomalies positive

3003
02:08:16,560 --> 02:08:13,060
magnetic fields in certain locations

3004
02:08:18,900 --> 02:08:16,570
they have been since as long as we know

3005
02:08:21,330 --> 02:08:18,910
it'll Philip Philip Corso for especially

3006
02:08:24,330 --> 02:08:21,340
in 1982 said that the US government were

3007
02:08:26,459 --> 02:08:24,340
looking into five major positive

3008
02:08:28,590 --> 02:08:26,469
magnetic regions where UFO activities

3009
02:08:30,420 --> 02:08:28,600
taking place who's still going on now

3010
02:08:32,130 --> 02:08:30,430
the government aware of it the US

3011
02:08:34,260 --> 02:08:32,140
government I assure you are aware of it

3012
02:08:36,090 --> 02:08:34,270
but they're keeping it quiet but we have

3013
02:08:38,550 --> 02:08:36,100
the capabilities of looking now and

3014
02:08:41,280 --> 02:08:38,560
saying ok let's look at all the major

3015
02:08:43,709 --> 02:08:41,290
past incidents we looked at 2000 major

3016
02:08:45,100 --> 02:08:43,719
UFO incidents over the the last safe

3017
02:08:47,290 --> 02:08:45,110
6070 years

3018
02:08:49,689 --> 02:08:47,300
and doing positive magnetic regions

3019
02:08:51,850 --> 02:08:49,699
that's not by chance you know that those

3020
02:08:54,310 --> 02:08:51,860
are happening see these key locations

3021
02:08:56,080 --> 02:08:54,320
and it's also interesting to point out

3022
02:08:58,060 --> 02:08:56,090
that these magnetic anomalies are not

3023
02:09:01,120 --> 02:08:58,070
just here on planet Earth but they're

3024
02:09:02,530 --> 02:09:01,130
also around the Sun and the moon as well

3025
02:09:04,330 --> 02:09:02,540
so you see a lot of activity from the

3026
02:09:06,520 --> 02:09:04,340
Sun maybe it's phenomenal just our star

3027
02:09:07,930 --> 02:09:06,530
jumpers maybe they do they use magnetic

3028
02:09:11,470 --> 02:09:07,940
anomalies to get from one place to the

3029
02:09:13,689 --> 02:09:11,480
other we're figuring it out I can't wait

3030
02:09:15,669 --> 02:09:13,699
until some of these breakthroughs happen

3031
02:09:18,010 --> 02:09:15,679
because what it does all of that

3032
02:09:20,530 --> 02:09:18,020
poltergeist stuff that people have been

3033
02:09:23,470 --> 02:09:20,540
investigating like yourself or ghosts

3034
02:09:27,220 --> 02:09:23,480
near-death experiences these other work

3035
02:09:30,399 --> 02:09:27,230
all of it is related Steve and and it's

3036
02:09:32,890 --> 02:09:30,409
all going to be solved I think at the

3037
02:09:36,580 --> 02:09:32,900
same time and I cannot believe we went

3038
02:09:43,359 --> 02:09:36,590
through two and a half hours and did not

3039
02:09:46,510 --> 02:09:43,369
talk about phenomena magazine you are

3040
02:09:49,000 --> 02:09:46,520
the CEO of phenomena magazine you've got

3041
02:09:52,060 --> 02:09:49,010
almost 2 million readers around the

3042
02:09:54,340 --> 02:09:52,070
world and it's a great publication and

3043
02:09:56,649 --> 02:09:54,350
please tell everybody where they can go

3044
02:09:59,200 --> 02:09:56,659
and check it out absolutely yeah they

3045
02:10:01,300 --> 02:09:59,210
can go to phenomena magazine co uk the

3046
02:10:03,700 --> 02:10:01,310
magazine is free you download it and at

3047
02:10:05,050 --> 02:10:03,710
the end of every month also there's a

3048
02:10:06,729 --> 02:10:05,060
back issue section now you can go back

3049
02:10:09,729 --> 02:10:06,739
and get every other single magazine

3050
02:10:13,629 --> 02:10:09,739
that's ever been created and we are

3051
02:10:15,729 --> 02:10:13,639
probably about 15 16 years in now but it

3052
02:10:17,410 --> 02:10:15,739
is distributed in four called in twelve

3053
02:10:18,820 --> 02:10:17,420
countries one to four languages at this

3054
02:10:20,530 --> 02:10:18,830
moment and we're still looking to expand

3055
02:10:22,260 --> 02:10:20,540
it but it's about networking

3056
02:10:24,879 --> 02:10:22,270
it's about freely giving out information

3057
02:10:26,260 --> 02:10:24,889
and and keeping her body in touch with

3058
02:10:28,479 --> 02:10:26,270
what's going on around the world you're

3059
02:10:30,300 --> 02:10:28,489
the best Steve give my best to Jackie I

3060
02:10:33,040 --> 02:10:30,310
tell Vitaly

3061
02:10:34,840 --> 02:10:33,050
I've got a great haberdasher that I can

3062
02:10:37,359 --> 02:10:34,850
put him in touch with they're in London

3063
02:10:39,820 --> 02:10:37,369
and we're gonna be seeing you guys very

3064
02:10:43,359 --> 02:10:39,830
very soon over in the United Kingdom and

3065
02:10:44,680 --> 02:10:43,369
I it can't be more excited than the way

3066
02:10:46,419 --> 02:10:44,690
I feel right now it's gonna be great

3067
02:10:47,050 --> 02:10:46,429
thank you so much to even enjoy the rest

3068
02:10:48,970 --> 02:10:47,060
of your day

3069
02:10:51,790 --> 02:10:48,980
wonderful is absolute pleasure to me

3070
02:10:53,169 --> 02:10:51,800
thanks again Steve Mehra live from the

3071
02:10:56,680 --> 02:10:53,179
United Kingdom and I'm not playing

3072
02:10:58,819 --> 02:10:56,690
around if you want to check me out when

3073
02:11:02,659 --> 02:10:58,829
I jump up on stage and say hello

3074
02:11:07,599 --> 02:11:02,669
Manchester you got to be there it is

3075
02:11:11,899 --> 02:11:07,609
June 26th through the 27th 2020 in

3076
02:11:13,969 --> 02:11:11,909
Manchester awakening UFO dot-com we've

3077
02:11:16,369 --> 02:11:13,979
got the links up in social media we've

3078
02:11:18,560 --> 02:11:16,379
got it up over on our website and it's

3079
02:11:20,750 --> 02:11:18,570
going to be a tremendous event and like

3080
02:11:24,099 --> 02:11:20,760
I said Erich von däniken Richard Dolan

3081
02:11:27,319 --> 02:11:24,109
Nick Pope grant Cameron Billy Carson

3082
02:11:30,139 --> 02:11:27,329
lore Eisenhower it's going to be an

3083
02:11:32,869 --> 02:11:30,149
amazing weekend so come on out and hang

3084
02:11:34,790 --> 02:11:32,879
out with Rita and I and you'll be able

3085
02:11:36,859 --> 02:11:34,800
to see fader X for the first time over

3086
02:11:41,149 --> 02:11:36,869
in Europe with that I'm gonna get out of

3087
02:11:44,750 --> 02:11:41,159
here tomorrow night is Fator night it is

3088
02:11:46,549 --> 02:11:44,760
open lines all night long my favorite

3089
02:11:49,310 --> 02:11:46,559
night of the week well besides tonight

3090
02:11:50,929 --> 02:11:49,320
was Steve Mehra I am your host Jimmy

3091
02:11:54,439 --> 02:11:50,939
church what a great conversation tonight

3092
02:11:56,270 --> 02:11:54,449
thank you Steve Mehra he's the best paid

3093
02:11:57,919 --> 02:11:56,280
to Black's executive producers ritika

3094
02:12:00,589 --> 02:11:57,929
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3106
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3107
02:12:35,220 --> 02:12:33,149
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3108
02:12:37,200 --> 02:12:35,230
I'm Neos Jimmy Church

3109
02:12:40,560 --> 02:12:37,210
tomorrow night's Fator night it's

3110
02:12:51,340 --> 02:12:40,570
Thursday until then I want everybody to